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InVOLuntary said:
You'll need to show your work.

Like I said everyone has an agenda. Did you download and read the pdf or did you automatically dismiss it?
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I read it. When I see "adjustment factors" and "adjustments" and every single one of them is in favor of the stated cause of the group, the bullsh-t meters go off.

I am against illegal immigration. I realize we need the labor and there should be a process for that. There is a net cost, in my opinion, for illegal immigration. I think the bottom quarter drag it into a net cost. I just dont trust CIS for reasons stated here and in previous threads...
 
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Orangeburst said:
68k lifetime is absolutely believable, surprised it isnt higher

Key Data on Federal Benefits Paid to Illegal Immigrant Households

Soaring illegal immigration during the Biden-Harris administration was a major campaign theme, with a pre-election Harvard poll finding Americans considered immigration the second-most important issue—right behind inflation and ahead of the economy. An AP exit poll seconded that ranking, with 39...
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Yeah, me too. One childbirth would easily eclipse that. In addition, it doesn't include benefits to their US born children.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I read it. When I see "adjustment factors" and "adjustments" and every single one of them is in favor of the stated cause of the group, the bullsh-t meters go off.

I am against illegal immigration. I realize we need the labor and there should be a process for that. There is a net cost, in my opinion, for illegal immigration. I just dont trust CIS for reasons stated here and in previous threads...
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Do you honestly think $68K in a lifetime is not believable?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Do you honestly think $68K in a lifetime is not believable?
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Depends on the illegal immigrant. I believe those thay have a high school+ level of education and above are positive . (Still here illegally and need to be kicked out). I think those without education but who work extensively in ag, construction, etc arent a net cost when you factor in impacts from cheaper labor. (We need to find a way to have access to this group and monetize it in a legal way to make it a positive)

Those who do not work, have tons of kids, or are criminals - Those will likely exceed 68K

Length of time here and state impacts it as well.

**I considered anything within +/- $10K neutral.**
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Depends on the illegal immigrant. I believe those thay have a high school+ level of education and above are positive . (Still here illegally and need to be kicked out). I think those without education but who work extensively in ag, construction, etc arent a net cost when you factor in impacts from cheaper labor. (We need to find a way to have access to this group and monetize it in a legal way to make it a positive)

Those who do not work, have tons of kids, or are criminals - Those will likely exceed 68K

Length of time here and state impacts it as well.

**I considered anything within +/- $10K neutral.**
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I think an average of $68K is extremely believable. One hospital visit, overnight stay, easily could cost that amount alone. One childbirth will easily exceed that. Many illegals don't contribute to the tax base since they are paid under the table. A net $68K is more than believable to me.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think an average of $68K is extremely believable. One hospital visit, overnight stay, easily could cost that amount alone. One childbirth will easily exceed that. Many illegals don't contribute to the tax base since they are paid under the table. A net $68K is more than believable to me.
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I believe its probably a net cost; however, Im not going to take a report from an agency with a clear agenda, a group that has constantly misled, a group that made "adjustments", all of which went in their favor, at face value. Taking a look at that report, I noticed how they took early really high Obama EITC fraud rates and extrapolted that to the entire illegal population to come up with a cost. They could have used the somewhat lower fraud rates under Trump or could have realized, as you correctly did, a lot of business is done with cash under the table. These type of "adjustments" just makes me discard their analysis as biased even if it might be directionally correct.

You do bring up an interesting argument about under the table taxes. A few years, the libs derailed Wal Mart for screwing over the federal govt by paying low wages. The thought process was fed govt was paying food stamps for Wal Mart employees due to low Wal Mart wages. One thing the libs failed to mention was if Wal Mart paid more in wages, they'd have less income and pay less in income taxes. A 5,000 bump in wages would equal a $1,750 reduction in federal taxes at 35%.They conveniently ignored the revenue coming in from the lower wages. A Wal Mart employee is in 0% bracket usually while Wal Mart was in 35% then.

So, why did I bring that up here. The farms/construction companies/hotels, etc are all benefiting from super cheap labor. Labor that increases income and what they pay to the IRS. A day laborer, legal or illegal, isnt paying much of anything in income taxes, to the IRS in income taxes. Same with a hotel maid. They are in the 0% bracket even if legal. A highly profitable California business, depending, how they are set up is paying 30-50% in income taxes. So, the more they pay people under the table or the more they pay under market, the more for the IRS. But much like the libs with Wal Mart, this revenue is conveniently ignored by CIS....
 
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ButchPlz said:
1. your lazy ass can do a simple google search to see the cost of illegal immigration, can't it?;
2. an idiot that thinks entering any country without any documentation "breaks no laws" should probably promptly exit any serious discussion;
3. only a complete jackass can't extrapolate out the costs of healthcare, school resources (ex: providing resources and human assistance in Spanish well beyond anything normal), car accidents without insurance, etc. etc. etc. that an illegal immigrant causes; picking a few apples at a low wage (by the way, quit being a shitbird slave supporter) doesn't balance out the cost of supporting an illegal immigrant's family

My wife is a legal immigrant that worked in an immigration law firm for several years. I've seen plenty of the abuse of laws and ******** that illegals do with the support of activist lawyers to know that very few of them are here on any positive pretext. I'm also not retarded or evil enough to ignore the blatant, abusive, and terrifying human trafficking that American organizations are doing to encourage this stuff.
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It's not a question of whether they're breaking laws, it's a question of how much were compromising our freedoms trying to enforce them. They're are plenty of documented abuses of detainees by ice that your lazy ass might consider reading before providing whole hearted support for the project.

As to the "costs," isn't that money just being paid to citizens performing jobs to support help illegals?

If enforcement was going after abusers, I wouldn't be against it. Why are we just targeting the victims?
 
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ButchPlz said:
Love it when room-temp IQ pseudo-intellectuals roll up trying to flex something.

Nope, an illegal immigrant crossing causes no damage or loss of property to anyone (assuming we, like good little dingleberries, completely ignore the fact that they're costing taxpayers directly at least $1K each). "Imaginary lines people made up" are part of history for literally forever, and every society (including the Anglo-Saxons you're apparently trying to cite) harshly punished (as in, killed) invaders all through history. We're actually being nice by simply exporting them back where they came. Maybe we should take the Anglo-Saxon approach? Do you want to argue that no society ever has ever expelled people in their countries without permission?

The more I type, the more I realize how stupid you actually are.
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It's a question of how the laws are enforced.
 
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