Joe Biden, 82, Receiving New Treatment After 'Aggressive' Cancer Spread To His Bones

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jvol1 said:
That wouldn't excuse ice members actions or justify the overly harsh crackdowns. Seeking a better life by crossing a border isn't a crime. Who's been injured?
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You asked a question about mercy, I gave you the answer. If you don’t like the answer, ask better questions.
 
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jvol1 said:
Whether it's the goverments job or the church's, I dont think that arrangement would prevent government from doing it if it was the democratic will of the people to do so.

I give to charity and do what I can to help people. Are you saying you dont?
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Absolutely I give. It's a slippery slope when government spends tax dollars on charity. Maybe the government's charity isn't what I want to contribute my tax dollars to.

You brought the Bible into this, the Bible doesn't state that it's government's responsibility to take care of the people, it's the churches. As it should be.
 
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jvol1 said:
That wouldn't excuse ice members actions or justify the overly harsh crackdowns. Seeking a better life by crossing a border isn't a crime. Who's been injured?
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Crossing the border illegally is illegal. It is a crime.

8 U.S.C. § 1325 is a federal law that makes it a crime for an alien to enter or attempt to enter the United States at a time or place not designated by immigration officers, or to elude inspection by immigration officers. This includes using false or misleading information to enter the country. The law specifies penalties, which can include fines and imprisonment, for violations of this statute.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Crossing the border illegally is illegal. It is a crime.

8 U.S.C. § 1325 is a federal law that makes it a crime for an alien to enter or attempt to enter the United States at a time or place not designated by immigration officers, or to elude inspection by immigration officers. This includes using false or misleading information to enter the country. The law specifies penalties, which can include fines and imprisonment, for violations of this statute.
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And not only that, I'm pretty sure it's actually illegal in literally every country on the planet.
 
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jvol1 said:
Our legal systems notion of upholding the spirit and not the letter of the law is taken from Jesus commandments. Nazis werent excused from their actions because they were sanctioned by their govt and neither should ours. Everyone is held to the laws of God first, govt is a secondary jurisdiction.
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God was actually pretty harsh.
 
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jvol1 said:
That wouldn't excuse ice members actions or justify the overly harsh crackdowns. Seeking a better life by crossing a border isn't a crime. Who's been injured?
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Not complying with immigration laws isn’t a crime? No one has to be injured to have committed a crime. Why don’t you go try to walk across the border of any other country in the world and when they throw you in prison, see how that line of reasoning works out for you. It’s not that someone hasn’t been injured, it’s a means to control a sovereign border as the country sees fit.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Crossing the border illegally is illegal. It is a crime.

8 U.S.C. § 1325 is a federal law that makes it a crime for an alien to enter or attempt to enter the United States at a time or place not designated by immigration officers, or to elude inspection by immigration officers. This includes using false or misleading information to enter the country. The law specifies penalties, which can include fines and imprisonment, for violations of this statute.
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The anglo-saxon code is basically a manual of anatomy prescribing payments in gold for various injuries one person did to another. Crime tends to involve actual damages or injuries, loss of property, etc, unlike say, not wearing your seat belt, speeding, or crossing imaginary lines people made up. That was the distinction, I meant.
 
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jvol1 said:
The anglo-saxon code is basically a manual of anatomy prescribing payments in gold for various injuries one person did to another. Crime tends to involve actual damages or injuries, loss of property, etc, unlike say, not wearing your seat belt, speeding, or crossing imaginary lines people made up. That was the distinction, I meant.
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Crossing the border is a crime. Plain and simple. People Crossing the border not through a designated point of entry are criminals.

There are damages, each illegal border crosser cost a net $60K/yr. Those are actual damages.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Crossing the border is a crime. Plain and simple. People Crossing the border not through a designated point of entry are criminals.

There are damages, each illegal border crosser cost a net $60K/yr. Those are actual damages.
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Costs who $60k? Where does that number come from? Are there any benefits they provide in terms of labor or contributing to the economy by spending?
 
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jvol1 said:
Costs who $60k? Where does that number come from? Are there any benefits they provide in terms of labor or contributing to the economy by spending?
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1. your lazy ass can do a simple google search to see the cost of illegal immigration, can't it?;
2. an idiot that thinks entering any country without any documentation "breaks no laws" should probably promptly exit any serious discussion;
3. only a complete jackass can't extrapolate out the costs of healthcare, school resources (ex: providing resources and human assistance in Spanish well beyond anything normal), car accidents without insurance, etc. etc. etc. that an illegal immigrant causes; picking a few apples at a low wage (by the way, quit being a shitbird slave supporter) doesn't balance out the cost of supporting an illegal immigrant's family

My wife is a legal immigrant that worked in an immigration law firm for several years. I've seen plenty of the abuse of laws and ******** that illegals do with the support of activist lawyers to know that very few of them are here on any positive pretext. I'm also not retarded or evil enough to ignore the blatant, abusive, and terrifying human trafficking that American organizations are doing to encourage this stuff.
 
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jvol1 said:
The anglo-saxon code is basically a manual of anatomy prescribing payments in gold for various injuries one person did to another. Crime tends to involve actual damages or injuries, loss of property, etc, unlike say, not wearing your seat belt, speeding, or crossing imaginary lines people made up. That was the distinction, I meant.
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Love it when room-temp IQ pseudo-intellectuals roll up trying to flex something.

Nope, an illegal immigrant crossing causes no damage or loss of property to anyone (assuming we, like good little dingleberries, completely ignore the fact that they're costing taxpayers directly at least $1K each). "Imaginary lines people made up" are part of history for literally forever, and every society (including the Anglo-Saxons you're apparently trying to cite) harshly punished (as in, killed) invaders all through history. We're actually being nice by simply exporting them back where they came. Maybe we should take the Anglo-Saxon approach? Do you want to argue that no society ever has ever expelled people in their countries without permission?

The more I type, the more I realize how stupid you actually are.
 
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I will say that my hope is that Conservatives can be better than the other team right now. We all know how the left would react if Trump was in this situation. Most conservatives I know might disagree vehemently with Biden’s politics but still wish the absolute best for him as a human being loved by God.
Prayers from me for his swift and complete recovery.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I will say that my hope is that Conservatives can be better than the other team right now. We all know how the left would react if Trump was in this situation. Most conservatives I know might disagree vehemently with Biden’s politics but still wish the absolute best for him as a human being loved by God.
Prayers from me for his swift and complete recovery.
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The difference is conservatives by and large don't hate Biden as a person. Many feel sorry for him and how in his declining years the Dem machine abused him for their own gains.

Liberals hate Trump personally and would like nothing better than to see a bullet in his head
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It's a net loss of $68k. I misspoke as it isn't annual loss.

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This cost is a CIS estimate that the R led House used. Neither the R led House or CIS is known for being neutral.....

Not saying there isn't a cost but I would trust JP Pritzker more at the Golden Corral that this number....
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Again, it is a .gov source. Should I grab a study from MSNBC?
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CIS isnt a government source. It is a anti-immigration (legal and illegal) group that gave the R led House the "best answer".

If the Dems and pro illegal immigration group came up with a number, I wouldnt believe it either. Funny how that works.

CIS made a ton of "adjustments" to data to formulate thier answer. For example, immigrants with some college and above are net positive based on their math. However, since CIS ia against all immigrants, they applied an "adjustment factor" to significantly decrease this net positive....

They have a lengthy discussion of their "rationale" for coming up with the 68K.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
CIS isnt a government source. It is a anti-immigration (legal and illegal) group that gave the R led House the "best answer".

If the Dems and pro illegal immigration group came up with a number, I wouldnt believe it either. Funny how that works.

CIS made a ton of "adjustments" to data to formulate thier answer. For example, immigrants with some college and above are net positive based on their math. However, since CIS ia against all immigrants, they applied an "adjustment factor" to significantly decrease this net positive....

They have a lengthy discussion of their "rationale" for coming up with the 68K.
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You'll need to show your work.

Like I said everyone has an agenda. Did you download and read the pdf or did you automatically dismiss it?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You'll need to show your work.

Like I said everyone has an agenda. Did you download and read the pdf or did you automatically dismiss it?
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68k lifetime is absolutely believable, surprised it isnt higher

Key Data on Federal Benefits Paid to Illegal Immigrant Households

Soaring illegal immigration during the Biden-Harris administration was a major campaign theme, with a pre-election Harvard poll finding Americans considered immigration the second-most important issue—right behind inflation and ahead of the economy. An AP exit poll seconded that ranking, with 39...
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