Penn St fires James Franklin

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ButchPlz said:
At some juncture it just turns into a "what's the point?"-type situation. What does he gain by going to Penn State? A few extra million isn't that big of a deal for these guys. He's at a place where he's already a legend two years in. Why go somewhere as stressful as Penn State where they expect you to regularly beat the Ohio States and Michigans with less resources?
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More and more schools as time goes on are going to have to go the unproven route. PSU absolutely has to contact him, but he's making over $8m/year at Indiana and could probably squeeze another million out of them via interest from another school (especially another school in the conference). It's basically the same they were paying Franklin.

Just a few years ago, the difference between the salary of Indiana's coach and Penn St's coach would be much more drastic, even if Indiana was really good.
 
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sami said:
Something that no one seems to be talking about is the role that Drew Allar played in Franklin's downfall. A 5-star recruit who never progressed and never won big games, and yet his returning for his senior year instead of going into the draft (a huge red flag right there for a 5-star to even make it to his senior year at the same place) was amazingly a reason given for the national media's love affair with PSU, making them a #2 seed and championship favorite.

I thought it was a joke before the season ever started, and said so many times. While a total implosion was not expected, what finally had to happen there is just not that much of a shock. A lesser team punched them in the mouth, and Northwestern came in and did the same thing.

Regarding Allar, it's being called a failure on Franklin's part for his lack of development, but in my opinion it's more the fact that Allar just never looked the part of a stud QB, often even against the creampuff's that filled PSU's schedule. Franklin's mistake (among others) was not cutting bait on Allar a couple of years ago and recruiting him out of the program.
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The media is never able to truly let go of what a guy's recruiting ranking was coming out of HS. If Allar was a 3 or even 4-star recruit, the consensus on him after a year or two would be that he simply isn't a high level QB.

Instead, he was a 5-star, and so people just assumed he was really good (or would eventually be really good). At some point, a guy's recruiting ranking has to stop mattering if he isn't developing. Just like how a 3-star recruit's ranking will stop mattering if he ends up being a stud. When it was clear Michael Penix, for example, was good, nobody said things like "Yeah, but he was a 3-star and actually isn't that good."
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I bet Penn State will make some proven coaches tell them no before they go that route. Cignetti and Kiffin would be at the top of the list.
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They don't have the money after the CJF buyout. BOTH of these coaches, Kiffin and Cignetti, would command more money than Penn St can afford...IMHO It will be an
unproven HC who goes there and my guys in Pa say Hartline is top 3 on all the Trustees list..Money is everything right now and Penn St ain't got it.....
 
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ButchPlz said:
At some juncture it just turns into a "what's the point?"-type situation. What does he gain by going to Penn State? A few extra million isn't that big of a deal for these guys. He's at a place where he's already a legend two years in. Why go somewhere as stressful as Penn State where they expect you to regularly beat the Ohio States and Michigans with less resources?
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And he's already pretty much at "build a statue/name the stadium/field after him" territory at IU. If he keeps them reguarly in the playoff hunt especially if/when they go to 16 teams then he'll go out as on top as possible and never have to buy a meal in Bloomington again.
 
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TnScooby said:
They don't have the money after the CJF buyout. BOTH of these coaches, Kiffin and Cignetti, would command more money than Penn St can afford...IMHO It will be an
unproven HC who goes there and my guys in Pa say Hartline is top 3 on all the Trustees list..Money is everything right now and Penn St ain't got it.....
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How do you know how much money they have or how much they are willing to spend on the next HC? Franklin won 13 games last year. Why fire him and hire a guy that has never coached a down as a HC? I don't believe PSU would make a move like this unless they believe that they can get a proven guy.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
How do you know how much money they have or how much they are willing to spend on the next HC? Franklin won 13 games last year. Why fire him and hire a guy that has never coached a down as a HC? I don't believe PSU would make a move like this unless they believe that they can get a proven guy.
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I bet they do have a guy in mind, but he might not necessarily be proven. They could very well be trying to do what UGA did when they fired Richt and hired Kirby, although unlike PSU's current situation everybody and their brother knew UGA going to get Kirby after they let Richt go.
 
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IndianaVol said:
Coach Cig at least talks that he is very loyal to IU. Says that one of his dreams was to always coach in the B1G and that Indiana made that happen.

Point 2 - Cig has ALL of IU believing they can win titles. They have sold out Memorial Stadium for every game this year...that hasn't happened since Lee Corso roamed the sidelines!!! The AD and boosters will do what it takes to keep him in Bloomington.

To me, you don't fire a guy mid-season at this level with that kind of record unless you already have a guy in mind or been talking.
Look for a high profile HC or top tier coordinator to be hired.
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Coach Cig is coming up on his belt to ass moment. He has done well, but he runs his mouth like he is Saban’s daddy. He doesn’t yet have the resources nor manpower to cash the checks his mouth writes. When a real team gets the opportunity, they will take him behind the woodshed and make him like it.
 
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Fightmaker said:
Coach Cig is coming up on his belt to ass moment. He has done well, but he runs his mouth like he is Saban’s daddy. He doesn’t yet have the resources nor manpower to cash the checks his mouth writes. When a real team gets the opportunity, they will take him behind the woodshed and make him like it.
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Did you watch the same IU team I watched this week. It was their defense that was impressing more than the offense.

Only other time he's going to meet one of those teams this year is the 1st week of December when they face tOSU in Indy.
 
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adam.vol said:
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Every head coach’s contract, and most assistant coaches’ contracts have this clause. But what you actually have to do to seek consummate employment is actively apply for and be interviewed for jobs. If he wants to stay out of coaching, all he has to do is line of an interview every year And it’s satisfies the arrangement.

Coaching and entertainment contracts are my wheelhouse, and I can only think of a handful of times that a team or college program has successfully gone after a coach and gotten a judgment for failure to mitigate. Virtually impossible to prove. Some donors at Tennessee wanted to go after Butch, but he was toxic for a couple of jobs because of the title IX lawsuits and sexual assault allegations that happened on his watch, particularly at a couple of schools that had previously had similar incidents. But he was able to interview for at least one head coaching job every year when he was at Alabama, and that satisfied the language in the contract.

That said, Franklin will be at another P4 school by 2027 at the latest.
 
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Fightmaker said:
Coach Cig is coming up on his belt to ass moment. He has done well, but he runs his mouth like he is Saban’s daddy. He doesn’t yet have the resources nor manpower to cash the checks his mouth writes. When a real team gets the opportunity, they will take him behind the woodshed and make him like it.
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Glad to know you think Oregon in Autzen isn’t a “real team” apparently.
 
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TheDeeble said:
It was obvious that’s what he was doing. But he still went through his required interviews.
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Did he turn down a better job than Arkansas State? I don't remember him getting any better offers but maybe I missed something? A lot of coaches have been fired and gone to work for Saban and then got another HC job after. The buyout is the fault of the Admin that offers the contract not the coach that is fired and takes the money that he is guaranteed.
 
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I have a feeling Franklin is an insufferable douche behind the scenes and the administration was waiting for the first opportunity to can his smug ass. That’s the only way this makes sense.
 
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TheDirector said:
Did he turn down a better job than Arkansas State? I don't remember him getting any better offers but maybe I missed something? A lot of coaches have been fired and gone to work for Saban and then got another HC job after. The buyout is the fault of the Admin that offers the contract not the coach that is fired and takes the money that he is guaranteed.
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I don't even remember what all he interviewed for. I doubt offers/declines really goes public.

But I do agree with you. It's not the fault of the coach for having an agent negotiating an awesome buyout. I can see why a coach would want a buyout when he takes a new job. Often times coach changes are due to the previous coach being fired and the new coach inherits a team that is a mess. It will take time. A buyout can help guarantee he'll get time to implement his changes, coach up players, and see results. I don't really have a problem with that. But that's not the scenario Franklin was in anymore. He's in like year 12 at Penn St. This is 100% his team. Again not his fault, but if I'm Penn St in that 1st new contract after year 4 or 5 I'm saying we need to revisit this buyout and drop it down significantly.
 
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