Penn St fires James Franklin

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RDU VOL#14 said:
If I’m looking at the SEC coaches, you have to look at Lane and Drink. Penn St needs to become dynamic, they’re boring and they’ve had the same guy at quarterback forever. Every guy for the past 25 years + is basically the same guy. Kiffin would bring them energy and the ability to recruit and develop quarterbacks instantly. They might not win it all with Kiffin, but they damn sure wouldn’t play an entire Final 4 game and not complete a pass to wide receiver. If I were Penn St, Kiffin is my first call. They need something to wake up their boring ass brand, someone that would go in guns blazing against Ryan Day. He’s that guy IMO. I’m sure this won’t be a popular post, but that’s the way I see it.
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Kiffin would be making a lateral move at best going from Ole Miss to Penn State. And culturally that is such a clash. He can win 10 games at ole Miss every year, be in the playoff and then it’s a toss up.

Of course, I think Lane only leaves Ole Miss if a bigger school in the SEC has an opening.

Lane in the Big Ten is just an odd pairing.

I actually think Drink and Lea are going to top out at their schools and that’s worth the jump.
 
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Volfan76 said:
I just don't understand why you would fire Franklin after a bad couple of games. In these years were there is a HUGE coaching carousel, very rarely do any teams end up better off than they were. Outside of Cristobal, he is out performing all of the coaches in his salary range. Fire him because he is a jerk and a poor role model, not for performance. There aren't going to be enough good coaches on the market to fill all the vacancies and most of these teams are going to end up spending millions to be in a less desirable position. That being said...Jim Knowles would make an intriguing candidate to replace Tim Banks.
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Please let’s stop the pipeline of Penn State DC’s in Knoxville. The only exception for me would be Pry since he was a head coach in between.
 
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IndianaVol said:
Had not thought about all these coaching changes and potential of OCs and DCs becoming available.
Not sure Knowles is an upgrade from Banks though...especially with the way that traditionally great defense has been playing this year.

IMO - if Heupel was going to replace Banks, he should have done it last year when Tom Allen left PSU to go to Clemson.
Who knows, the way Clemson has fallen off, maybe you can make that move this year ??
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He certainly boosted Ok St and he had the number one Defense in the country at Ohio st.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Kiffin would be making a lateral move at best going from Ole Miss to Penn State. And culturally that is such a clash. He can win 10 games at ole Miss every year, be in the playoff and then it’s a toss up.

Of course, I think Lane only leaves Ole Miss if a bigger school in the SEC has an opening.

Lane in the Big Ten is just an odd pairing.

I actually think Drink and Lea are going to top out at their schools and that’s worth the jump.
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I think PSU probably has better resources than Ole Miss, and I think it’s an easier path to the CFP. I agree that Lane in the B1G is a little bit of culture clash, but I think Penn St needs a little bit of a mix up. They have a great, passionate fan base, but the product on the field has been a little dull for a long time . Matt Rhule would be more of the same. I think Kiffin or someone who is a little bit outside of Penn State’s comfort zone would be a good thing for them. I don’t think Lane will be the guy, I think he either stays at Ole Miss or he weighs his options at Florida, potentially FSU and maybe even OU if they become available.
 
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zjcvols said:
I’ll probably be in the minority but I think this is a bad move for them

6 double digit win seasons in 12 years, 3 straight double digit win seasons and two playoff wins last year.
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I agree, at the very very least they should have waited until the end of the year and imo he deserved another year.

I do think last year was the peak for Franklin at PSU and I get his pathetic record against Top 10 teams but still, this seems very kneejerk. If they finish the year with a mid bowl and next year the same then yeah maybe you decide it's time for a change.
 
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superdave1984 said:
I think Rhule will be the first guy they call. Cignetti would win big at psu so I hope he stays where he is. My worst fear is florida cans Billy and hires Cig. THAT would be a nightmare.
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Cignetti is in his mid-60s and is hitting in big just fine where he is. I can't imagine he'll leave at this point.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Kiffin would be making a lateral move at best going from Ole Miss to Penn State. And culturally that is such a clash. He can win 10 games at ole Miss every year, be in the playoff and then it’s a toss up.

Of course, I think Lane only leaves Ole Miss if a bigger school in the SEC has an opening.

Lane in the Big Ten is just an odd pairing.

I actually think Drink and Lea are going to top out at their schools and that’s worth the jump.
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Lea is a Vandy alum. He will die trying to make them relevant in the NIL era. Vandy IS his dream job.
 
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VolBallGuy said:
His Vandy teams sure did beat the hell out of us on the regular. Can’t say much.
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Sure we can. Just like Petrino, a decent coach with questionable morals and ethics. Wouldn’t want either one of them near my sons, daughters or university. It tells me all I need to know about the Penn St administration that they hired Franklin after his actions in the Vandy rape case.
 
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05_never_again said:
If I were them I'd go hard after Cignetti. He benefitted from a soft schedule last year but regardless what he's doing at Indiana of all places is super impressive.

They also have to call Campbell, Leipold, and Lea. I don't think either of those guys are leaving their current jobs though, especially Campbell and Lea.
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I agree they have to call Cignetti, but at 65 and just having been given what he wants at IU, he seems like a guy with too much integrity to leave IU like that, although he has every right. I might be wrong, but I think this is his last job.
 
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sami said:
I agree they have to call Cignetti, but at 65 and just having been given what he wants at IU, he seems like a guy with too much integrity to leave IU like that, although he has every right. I might be wrong, but I think this is his last job.
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He will get buildings / stadium named after him at Indiana. Not so much at Penn State.
 
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sami said:
I agree they have to call Cignetti, but at 65 and just having been given what he wants at IU, he seems like a guy with too much integrity to leave IU like that, although he has every right. I might be wrong, but I think this is his last job.
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At some juncture it just turns into a "what's the point?"-type situation. What does he gain by going to Penn State? A few extra million isn't that big of a deal for these guys. He's at a place where he's already a legend two years in. Why go somewhere as stressful as Penn State where they expect you to regularly beat the Ohio States and Michigans with less resources?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
He will get buildings / stadium named after him at Indiana. Not so much at Penn State.
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And honestly, with the Cuban money and the commitment IU is going to continue making to him and the program, is Penn State moving forward a better job than IU? As you alluded, he will be a god at IU, while at Penn State he's just the next guy.
 
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sami said:
And honestly, with the Cuban money and the commitment IU is going to continue making to him and the program, is Penn State moving forward a better job than IU? As you alluded, he will be a god at IU, while at Penn State he's just the next guy.
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There is also the argument that the dollar from the TV deals and distributions go further at these smaller schools than the bigger ones.
 
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Something that no one seems to be talking about is the role that Drew Allar played in Franklin's downfall. A 5-star recruit who never progressed and never won big games, and yet his returning for his senior year instead of going into the draft (a huge red flag right there for a 5-star to even make it to his senior year at the same place) was amazingly a reason given for the national media's love affair with PSU, making them a #2 seed and championship favorite.

I thought it was a joke before the season ever started, and said so many times. While a total implosion was not expected, what finally had to happen there is just not that much of a shock. A lesser team punched them in the mouth, and Northwestern came in and did the same thing.

Regarding Allar, it's being called a failure on Franklin's part for his lack of development, but in my opinion it's more the fact that Allar just never looked the part of a stud QB, often even against the creampuffs that filled PSU's schedule. Franklin's mistake (among others) was not cutting bait on Allar a couple of years ago and recruiting him out of the program.
 
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