Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

[MoCo_Vol]

We're the most disrespected SEC team in both polls...

Highest we've been is 11 and our 1 loss was in OT against Georgia who hasn't been ranked outside the top 10 once this season. Bama skyrockets from beating that same Georgia team. It's like folks forgot they got handled by FSU who is now 3-3 and not even in the top 25. LSU is bad and very well could go get hammered by Vandy (coming off a Bye) this weekend. Ole Miss at Georgia going to be a big time game. Still not sure how legit the Rebels are and will Georgia get the same level of help from the officials after the favoritism got exposed at such a major level at Auburn?

We can set ourselves up for a clear playoff path with a win. OU and Vandy both at home and that Gators team still has quite a gauntlet of games before we come to town.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Saban: "And it was very obvious to me that the Tennessee game was always the biggest game. It was always the biggest game for us. That's no disrespect to Auburn or the great Iron Bowl rivalries. But to our players and a lot of our fans, the Tennessee game, because of the tradition of the game, [is important], so it didn't take long to figure that out."

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Don’t worry, he will pick a part the zone coverage this weekend.

I don't know...Banks called the Arkansas game the way he did because Green and the Hogs are so dynamic running the ball. They also don't seem to trust our secondary outside Hood at all, so much so that Sidney Walton (26) was playing a ton at Safety.

It's frustrating though considering Banks is DC and S coach...quite possibly our weakest group talent wise every year.

 

[BigSteve09]

Still baffles me a bit that Ty Simpson is getting all the Heisman hype he is while Joey leads the SEC in passing yards.

Ty is a checkdown king that's why his % is so high and he has just 1 INT. Really hope our DL pressure exposes him this weekend.

If Simpson left in the offseason and Joey were at Bama he'd be getting Heisman hype

 

[Jack Burton]

Aaron Torres called out the officiating in the SEC on his show today. He asked what many of us have been asking for awhile. He said “For a conference that considers itself the gold standard of college sports, why does this keep happening? There needs to be accountability and transparency.”

We are who we are at this point. Bad run defense and the worst pass defense in the SEC. Our defense has to get sacks/fumbles or we can’t stop an offense. At least our offense is the best in passing and first downs. If Heupel stays aggressive on offense we have a chance.

 

[Vols4us]

We're the most disrespected SEC team in both polls...

Highest we've been is 11 and our 1 loss was in OT against Georgia who hasn't been ranked outside the top 10 once this season. Bama skyrockets from beating that same Georgia team. It's like folks forgot they got handled by FSU who is now 3-3 and not even in the top 25. LSU is bad and very well could go get hammered by Vandy (coming off a Bye) this weekend. Ole Miss at Georgia going to be a big time game. Still not sure how legit the Rebels are and will Georgia get the same level of help from the officials after the favoritism got exposed at such a major level at Auburn?

We can set ourselves up for a clear playoff path with a win. OU and Vandy both at home and that Gators team still has quite a gauntlet of games before we come to town.

Address it with Tim Banks. They see what everybody else sees - a bottom tier D. Arkansas is the only one worse on PPG - by one point. Add in total D and only Arkansas and Kentucky are worse. Injuries were/are not the issue, he is. He has ample talent to work with on that roster to produce at least a mid-SEC peer D performance.

Somebody in the authority needs to address the elephant in the room by Saturday. We should not be struggling to win against one dimensional teams.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

If Simpson left in the offseason and Joey were at Bama he'd be getting Heisman hype

Facts. I really don't get the bias against the Vols. But Vol Twitter feast on negativity so maybe this constant bias is part of the media trying to continue to get clicks from that.

Even when we get some positivity there's always a BUT added on.

1st in PPG
1st in Total Yards PG
2nd in Total Plays PG
1st in Passing Yards PG
3rd in Rushing Yards PG
2nd in Passing TDs PG
4th in Rushing TDs PG
1st in First Downs PG


We are without question the best offense in the SEC...and no one is getting any Heisman hype. It's crazy. A fair whistle and we beat Georgia and would've beaten Hogs by 10+

 

[vol4eva]

We’re actually good at forcing third and longs, but the worst in the SEC at stopping them.

We are AWFUL at covering the middle of the field, and it goes back to linebacker and safety talent.

 

[Glitch]

Don't summon the @Glitch

 

[rocktopper16]

Address it with Tim Banks. They see what everybody else sees - a bottom tier D. Arkansas is the only one worse on PPG - by one point. Add in total D and only Arkansas and Kentucky are worse. Injuries were/are not the issue, he is. He has ample talent to work with on that roster to produce at least a mid-SEC peer D performance.

Somebody in the authority needs to address the elephant in the room by Saturday. We should not be struggling to win against one dimensional teams.

Arkansas is not a bottom tier offense. I’m not sure why you think that.

 

[rocktopper16]

What the tweeter want 15 to do there? The RB cut back inside and ran 15 into a block.

That’s called setting up a block.

DL gets beat at point of attack and sometimes you get hit with a good play. Brought pressure from the other side and they ran away from it perfectly leaving that side of the field with less traffic.

Marco, you know ball so lemme ask you a question. Who has more numbers in the box during that play.

Now go back and watch the game and look for who adjusted after half to fix that.

 

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[MoCo_Vol]

Address it with Tim Banks. They see what everybody else sees - a bottom tier D. Arkansas is the only one worse on PPG - by one point. Add in total D and only Arkansas and Kentucky are worse. Injuries were/are not the issue, he is. He has ample talent to work with on that roster to produce at least a mid-SEC peer D performance.

Somebody in the authority needs to address the elephant in the room by Saturday. We should not be struggling to win against one dimensional teams.

For sure not carrying water for Banks, and honestly if we didn't have the positional coaches we did around him I'm not sure Heupel has the same sort of success he has had here.

RG is elite, Chop is great/elite, Martinez is good (I think Banks' oversight and playcalling holds back CB play a bit personally), and they landed IMO an elite LB coach with Inge.

I will however point out that our tempo does make it more difficult...

15th of 16 teams in points allowed is awful
14th of 16 teams in total yards allowed is awful
15th of 16 in completion % allowed is awful
16 of 16 in passing yards allowed

Those 4 categories all fall squarely on Banks, both as the DC but also as the Safety coach

Now the glass half full side of it...

1st in total plays ran against us with 77.2, 2nd place allows just 69.6 plays
8th in average yards per play against us
3rd in turnovers created
1st in SEC in sacks by

Heupel has changed how he calls plays to slow down the tempo and his lack of aggressiveness hasn't really helped the defense at this point. Up 17 against the Hogs and we got the ball then went full prevent on both sides...they scored 14 straight points in the last 9 minutes to close the gap and cover the spread.

Heupel in his first 3 years here is trying to score another TD to go up 24 in that situation...might have also gone 3 & out, but he would've been trying to score a TD and running his offense as normal.

Got the win...ultimately all that matters. I'll take a 3 point win and the other team racking up 500 yards all day over holding them to 300 and losing by 3.


Last year because of Nico's limitations we ran the ball a lot more, had less tempo, less total plays and the D also played less total plays...pair that with what arguably was the best DL in all of college football and we held teams to 16 ppg and under 300 total yards...

so really the TL;DNR of this is despite our style of offense we've seen success from the D and Banks here. That's not a valid excuse for how badly they've been this year.

 

[Brillovol]

My assumption is that the tweet is directed more towards the analysts and support staffs who fall more into the middle class. Anyone with a brain knows Franklin and the on field coaches are perfectly fine if that haven’t been complete imbeciles with their money.

But those guys aren’t the ones getting canned right now. They will likely have to find something else by spring, but they’re not unemployed yet.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Arkansas is not a bottom tier offense. I’m not sure why you think that.

Top 5 in SEC in basically every category... Petrino was promoted for a reason.

They're a great offense that had a not great game against Notre Dame...and even then still racked up 365 total yards.

 

[BigSteve09]

Facts. I really don't get the bias against the Vols. But Vol Twitter feast on negativity so maybe this constant bias is part of the media trying to continue to get clicks from that.

Even when we get some positivity there's always a BUT added on.

1st in PPG
1st in Total Yards PG
2nd in Total Plays PG
1st in Passing Yards PG
3rd in Rushing Yards PG
2nd in Passing TDs PG
4th in Rushing TDs PG
1st in First Downs PG


We are without question the best offense in the SEC...and no one is getting any Heisman hype. It's crazy. A fair whistle and we beat Georgia and would've beaten Hogs by 10+

If Joey goes to Bama and wins he'll get all the hype he can handle

 

[Enki_Amenra]

The ones who can blow the lineman up, or are fast enough to make him miss, play on Sunday’s. Behind him was nothing but green grass. If he’s taught not to make that tackle, then we have a bigger issue.

He's taught to keep the play off the edge. Make the tackle if you can, but definitely don't let him outside. In that instance he had to fight a blocker to keep his outside leverage and force the runner inside. It's a very dangerous area of a play, because you're counting on someone to beat their block and catch him turning back inside or have help from the 2nd safety or nickel before he breaks it open for more than 10-15.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Something’s got to change defensively man…

Great hustle play by west, but crazy that HE had to make the play cause our safeties were jogging around with their thumbs up their ass

#2 was the problem there. He still disrupted a house call, but he should've been more aggressive with attacking the runner, instead of waiting on him to break loose.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Arkansas is really the best offense we've faced thus far...and they're a lot more difficult to stop than a Georgia or even Bama because Green is a 1st round QB talent.

Still we lead the SEC in sacks. But Bama's offensive strength is our defensive weakness... if we can't get pressure on Ty with 4 or 5 then it's going to be an ugly shootout type of game.

We get pressure on him and I think he'll play closer to how he did at FSU than he did against Wisconsin.

They've cleared 40 points only once this year...this isn't a juggernaut type Bama team on either side of the ball.

UL Monroe game propped them up statistically and the only other game they've not been in a dogfight for was against 2-4 Wisconsin at home

 

[Brillovol]

That's why I said "Truly"...those are the ones that have always get positive manipulation from the Officials.

It always blows my mind that people..even people that really understand sports, don't seem to realize how much that manipulation effects the outcome.

For instance, by letting one teams OL get away with placing headlocks and arm bars on defenders, while calling holding on the other team a few times, especially on 3rd down, thus changing the aggressiveness that teams blockers can play with, they can vastly change the score.

Or by letting one teams defenders literally maul receivers all over the field, while calling ticky tack questionable PIs on the other team...especially on 3rd downs...that also really screws with the score.

You know all the rest of their other dirty sneaky tricks, either in calling or missing depending on which side is getting the favorable treatment...questionable personal fouls...questionable targeting...questionable ball spots...and questionable procedural penalties...etc...etc..etc..

The crews that are good at the corruption are really good at covering their tracks, like mixing in a few harmless calls at non-crucial moments so the tally looks respectable, but the bad ones, which it seems is most of them nowadays, don't even try to hide it anymore.

I nominate McGill as the paterfamilias of the SEC investigation committee.

 

[MarcoVol]

 

[StoVol]

17 in a row! Wow, thought some were claiming rhule was a standard

 

[vol4eva]

Arkansas is really the best offense we've faced thus far...and they're a lot more difficult to stop than a Georgia or even Bama because Green is a 1st round QB talent.

Still we lead the SEC in sacks. But Bama's offensive strength is our defensive weakness... if we can't get pressure on Ty with 4 or 5 then it's going to be an ugly shootout type of game.

We get pressure on him and I think he'll play closer to how he did at FSU than he did against Wisconsin.

They've cleared 40 points only once this year...this isn't a juggernaut type Bama team on either side of the ball.

UL Monroe game propped them up statistically and the only other game they've not been in a dogfight for was against 2-4 Wisconsin at home

Don’t think there’s a better overall QB in the run/pass game we’ll face than Green.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Belichick at the end calling in,

 

[Brillovol]

Lol, LSU got the pro desk treatment.