If we are going to face facts, we need to admit that

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Rickyvol77 said:
Your definition of "not very good" is suspect...There isn't 10 teams in the country better than us...we are a playoff caliber team easily
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We will see.

Just in SEC alone I think Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Missouri, Texas, and LSU could all be better than Tennessee. That is 8 teams. We are definitely not better than Ohio State and probably not Indiana or Oregon. I am also not confident Tennessee could beat Miami, Notre Dame, or Texas Tech right now. Not sure about Southern Cal or Michigan.

If we win at Alabama this weekend, I will change my view.
 
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Honestly CJH reminds me a bit of Fulmer. Always had good offense and running game. Would always get conservative with a lead in the fourth and depend on defense more than most liked. We spent many a nervous fourth quarter watching Chavis mustang bend don’t break defense secure wins the “ugly” way. Eventually the stars aligned and ‘98 happened.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Kirby was a SEC champion in year 2. If we are comparing Heupel to Kirby, that’s going to make Heupel look bad.
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My apologies, I should’ve specified National. They were winning the SEC here and there under Richt. They fired him to try and win it all. For several years they looked the same under Smart until he finally broke through. Heupel has brought us to heights we haven’t seen since Fulmer and now you’re wanting to run him off. It’s foolish.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Honestly CJH reminds me a bit of Fulmer. Always had good offense and running game. Would always get conservative with a lead in the fourth and depend on defense more than most liked. We spent many a nervous fourth quarter watching Chavis mustang bend don’t break defense secure wins the “ugly” way. Eventually the stars aligned and ‘98 happened.
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I think he is a better game day coach than Fulmer but definitely there are similarities in their ability to win. I like Heupel and direction even if this team can be frustrating at times to watch.

SEC is also just tougher, teams don't quit like they used to. In Fulmer era, once we went up 34-17 on Arkansas, they would likely have given up and taken L at that point with a final score of 41-17 or something.

Basically Fulmer had it a lot easier than Heupel.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Well it’s year 5 and the portal era, it’s time we get over the roster Heupel inherited. He still isn’t leading a championship caliber program and never will due to some flaws that haven’t changed a bit in 5 years.
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Your posts come off like you are a troll and not even a Tennessee fan. Even your screenname screams that.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
My apologies, I should’ve specified National. They were winning the SEC here and there under Richt. They fired him to try and win it all. For several years they looked the same under Smart until he finally broke through. Heupel has brought us to heights we haven’t seen since Fulmer and now you’re wanting to run him off. It’s foolish.
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What’s funny is that even if I go out of my way to say that he should not be fired, any criticism is met with “you want Heupel fired.” Reread my OP and tell me what I said in regards to Heupel’s job security.
 
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volbound1700 said:
We will see.

Just in SEC alone I think Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Missouri, Texas, and LSU could all be better than Tennessee. That is 8 teams. We are definitely not better than Ohio State and probably not Indiana or Oregon. I am also not confident Tennessee could beat Miami, Notre Dame, or Texas Tech right now. Not sure about Southern Cal or Michigan.

If we win at Alabama this weekend, I will change my view.
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This is an insane take....

obviously UGA beat us, but we are at least their equals, if we hit the FG to win, would you believe this?

Ole Miss, Mizzou, Texas A&M, Oklahoma hasn't done anything to show they are better than us even against weak schedules, LSU has had better schedule but their offense hasn't been anything dangerous

Bama sure they could beat us in Tuscaloosa, but they got drilled at FSU so we will see how good they are this week

Indiana hasn't beaten anyone but Oregon (which was a good win) but who knows how good either really are...

Miami and Ohio St have the talent, but let's see at playoff time.

Notre Dame is not that good at all, Texas Tech hasn't played anyone either...USC maybe...Michigan is a joke

You are just assuming a lot in a year where no team looks great or dominant....
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Heupel is not a championship coach. He’s much better than anyone we have had since Kiffin and deserves respect and job security for what he has done so far. Let’s do the damned thing
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Your misery and negativity are at all time highs. Nothing unusual, but I think they gave you some bad jello yesterday afternoon.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This is an insane take....

obviously UGA beat us, but we are at least their equals, if we hit the FG to win, would you believe this?

Ole Miss, Mizzou, Texas A&M, Oklahoma hasn't done anything to show they are better than us even against weak schedules, LSU has had better schedule but their offense hasn't been anything dangerous

Bama sure they could beat us in Tuscaloosa, but they got drilled at FSU so we will see how good they are this week

Indiana hasn't beaten anyone but Oregon (which was a good win) but who knows how good either really are...

Miami and Ohio St have the talent, but let's see at playoff time.

Notre Dame is not that good at all, Texas Tech hasn't played anyone either...USC maybe...Michigan is a joke

You are just assuming a lot in a year where no team looks great or dominant....
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Notre Dame handled Arkansas pretty well.

Our defense is straight up bad. They make some big plays to prevent themselves from being awful, but they are bad. We have had to fight for dear life to beat 2 of the 3 worst teams in the SEC. You basically just said nobody is better than us but Georgia. Do you honestly feel like this team has looked like an elite team? Not even close.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This is an insane take....

obviously UGA beat us, but we are at least their equals, if we hit the FG to win, would you believe this?

Ole Miss, Mizzou, Texas A&M, Oklahoma hasn't done anything to show they are better than us even against weak schedules, LSU has had better schedule but their offense hasn't been anything dangerous

Bama sure they could beat us in Tuscaloosa, but they got drilled at FSU so we will see how good they are this week

Indiana hasn't beaten anyone but Oregon (which was a good win) but who knows how good either really are...

Miami and Ohio St have the talent, but let's see at playoff time.

Notre Dame is not that good at all, Texas Tech hasn't played anyone either...USC maybe...Michigan is a joke

You are just assuming a lot in a year where no team looks great or dominant....
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Georgia - we had them at home. They win by 2 TDs in Athens. I think there is at least a 7 point swing for home games

Missouri and Texas A&M are compete teams on both sides of the ball. Texas A&M won at Notre Dame. Missouri beat a solid Kansas team. We will see about them. We play Oklahoma so that will answer that question. Let's see how Ole Miss fares against Georgia. If they get blown out, I will agree with you.

Alabama isn't the same team that lost to FSU. They drilled Georgia in Athens and have now won three games in a row against ranked teams.

Indiana also mashed a very good Illinois team. They look like a top 5 team. Winning at Oregon is no small feat, what happened when Tennessee last went to Oregon?

We saw what Ohio State did in playoff team last year against Tennessee. We had a better defense that year as well that got exposed.

I was tempted to put Florida on the list because the way they are playing, they could beat us in Gainesville. They beat Texas there. We have given up 30+ points in all three of our SEC games. That isn't a good look.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
like Oregon, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Penn St, Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan?
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Not sure what your goal is there? I don’t care about those teams. I’m a Vols fan. Playoffs are great…. Mostly. Not so much if you just get there to be embarrassed.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Heupel is not a championship coach. He’s much better than anyone we have had since Kiffin and deserves respect and job security for what he has done so far. Let’s do the damned thing
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That is just dumb, Heupel is a great coach but Banks needs to go and Martinez needs to go. The defense is a major liability that is affecting the offense. It’s the main reason we can’t take risks on fourth down and it’s the main reason the offense has had to change its tempo. The defense simply cannot get off the field remotely consistently and looks absolutely lost much of the time. Banks doesn’t run a complicated scheme and he doesn’t run a fundamentally sound scheme. A guy who wasn’t even running a defense fielded a defense in two weeks at Arkansas that performed as well, possibly even better, than a coordinator who has spent five seasons building and developing players
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is just dumb, Heupel is a great coach but Banks needs to go and Martinez needs to go. The defense is a major liability that is affecting the offense. It’s the main reason we can’t take risks on fourth down and it’s the main reason the offense has had to change its tempo. The defense simply cannot get off the field remotely consistently and looks absolutely lost much of the time. Banks doesn’t run a complicated scheme and he doesn’t run a fundamentally sound scheme. A guy who wasn’t even running a defense fielded a defense in two weeks at Arkansas that performed as well, possibly even better, than a coordinator who has spent five seasons building and developing players
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Part of the reason why he isn’t a championship coach is stubborn loyalty to underperforming or straight up bad staff members.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Georgia - we had them at home. They win by 2 TDs in Athens. I think there is at least a 7 point swing for home games

Missouri and Texas A&M are compete teams on both sides of the ball. Texas A&M won at Notre Dame. Missouri beat a solid Kansas team. We will see about them. We play Oklahoma so that will answer that question. Let's see how Ole Miss fares against Georgia. If they get blown out, I will agree with you.

Alabama isn't the same team that lost to FSU. They drilled Georgia in Athens and have now won three games in a row against ranked teams.

Indiana also mashed a very good Illinois team. They look like a top 5 team. Winning at Oregon is no small feat, what happened when Tennessee last went to Oregon?

We saw what Ohio State did in playoff team last year against Tennessee. We had a better defense that year as well that got exposed.

I was tempted to put Florida on the list because the way they are playing, they could beat us in Gainesville. They beat Texas there. We have given up 30+ points in all three of our SEC games. That isn't a good look.
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You are assuming again about UGA

Tx A&M won at ND because of a bad call, they were beat...Mizzou has beaten no one and Kansas isn't a "solid" team at all

Bama didn't "drill" UGA, Kirby lost that game by passing on points and they lost by 3

"very good Illinois team" again an insane take, how is Illinois even remotely a good team

and comparing UT losing to an Oregon team that played for a NC and this Oregon team is also crazy

Ohio State is not the same team as last year and neither is Tennessee

A lot of what you say is weird
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Not sure what your goal is there? I don’t care about those teams. I’m a Vols fan. Playoffs are great…. Mostly. Not so much if you just get there to be embarrassed.
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I want your list of "true contenders not just playoff teams" to compare with
 
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Volador said:

If we are going to face facts, we need to admit that​

1. Our beloved 5* QB left the Vols just prior to Spring practice to selfishly improve his chances of making more money in the NIL
2. The Vols were left with NO QBs with any real game time experience - esp in the SEC
3. The Vols coaching staff, which btw includes our Head Coach Josh Heupel, somehow and miraculously convinced Joey A to come to Knoxville to hopefully save our season
4. Joey A. currently has passed for 1,680 yards, 14 Touchdowns and 5 Int's
5. The Vols are currently 5-1, 2-1
6. Coach Heupel didn't miss the field goal attempt. We would be 6-0 and in the Top 5 if we made that kick
7. We have had injuries on almost every series in every game. Never seen anything like it.

Therefore, your deductive reasoning for CJH to not be of championship caliber, is as worthless as a Bobby Petrino motorcycle excuse. Stick to your day job, please
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You forgot to mention that both of our starting CBs have not played since the 1st half of the Syracuse game(and one has yet to suit up if he ever does). On top of that, a 3rd starting DB had an apparent meltdown and is only now seeming to get back to somewhat resembling what we saw from him last year.
 
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