President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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Orange_Crush said:
And yet the players can still commit penalties. The coach can either have a penalized team or kick them off the team (mandate).
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WHAT??????????
They practice. They minimize........they never fully illuminate. If one player keeps making penalties, that player will be benched....NOT kicked off of the team. Players are incentivized to limit penalties.
Orange_Crush said:
You are still yet to show how the two statements can't both be true. You are ignoring personal responsibility and human nature.
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I'm not ignoring personal responsibility and human nature at all (that's what anti public education nuts do)
I guess the statement "they are the best coaches, but the team never wins" can theoretically be true.
But most would rightfully view the two as incongruent.
 
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EasternVol said:
- It's true that you don't encounter many really overweight French people.
- anything life saving and about anything that's really necessary for quality of life is covered.
- somewhat true but nothing close to UK level waits. It's a point of pride that their system's better than the rosbifs'.
- I know a lot of people that have to use the French system and the feedback is good. Some Dutch and Germans I know are pretty happy with theirs too while the Brits aren't.
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Yea I don’t buy the life expectancy argument. And I don’t view the propensity for many of us to eat and drink ourselves to death to be an indictment of our healthcare system.

I’m sure life saving is covered. A lot of Europeans carry private supplemental to augment their “free” healthcare from the State.

The UK (and Canada) is notorious for wait times. But any system that rations care is going to face wait times.
(I’ve admittedly never heard complaints of French wait times, but I’m guessing they exist)

I’m sure many French & Germans are happy with their system. That’s fine, it’s the system they know.
If they are rich Germans - they might like ours more.
If they are poor Germans - they would undoubtedly hate ours.

I lived in The Hague for 4 years. America would absolutely hate the Dutch system.
 
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luthervol said:
WHAT??????????
They practice. They minimize........they never fully illuminate. If one player keeps making penalties, that player will be benched....NOT kicked off of the team. Players are incentivized to limit penalties.

I'm not ignoring personal responsibility and human nature at all (that's what anti public education nuts do)
I guess the statement "they are the best coaches, but the team never wins" can theoretically be true.
But most would rightfully view the two as incongruent.
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You seem to be missing the fact that the coach can/should be held responsible BECAUSE he can take away liberties. He can/should be held responsible because he ALLOWS the penalties to continue. If you have an OL that keeps getting false starts, you bench him. You eventually recruit over him and he's off the team.

You're making my point.

My mother has kidney disease, COPD, diabetes, arterial disease... Her Dr coaches her about diet. My wife and I coach her. We cook for her much of the time. But you just aren't going to coach that southern diet and culture out of her. The only lifestyle change she'll ever make is if we do her grocery shopping--i.e. take her liberties.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that MUCH of the diet and lifestyle problems America has are poverty problems and not 'health system' problems. You can eat unhealthy pretty cheaply. You can't really eat healthy in the US cheaply.
 
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85SugarVol said:
The US ranks top in the world on aspects like:
- Innovation
- Research & Development
- New Technologies

How would removing profit incentive impact those?
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Not to answer your question with a question, but trying to gauge your beliefs first… what role do you believe higher education plays in research, innovation, and new technologies?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ok let’s go with State Administered.

So a system where the State collects taxes from the citizenry, and then pays (ostensibly Private medical providers) for services rendered back to the citizenry?
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Yes. That's how I would define universal care in the context of our discussions.
 
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luthervol said:
The best healthcare system would not result in the people choosing the most unhealthy lifestyle choices.

It's like saying the coaches of the University of X are the best but the team keeps losing because they are by far and away the most penalized team.
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That’s a ludicrous comparison.

Healthcare providers are coaches and please explain how a healthcare system can force people to make healthy choices?
 
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85SugarVol said:
A good deal
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Agreed, and funding is being cut by this admin. The fallacy that for-profit healthcare drives innovation is exactly that, a fallacy. This is for several reasons.
1. Healthcare is altruistic in nature, removing for-profit providers does not reduce the drive to innovate for the good of humanity.
2. Research can and should be publicly funded. If the people get to choose what and how to fund research based on their own needs rather than what would bring the most profits, we are removing a hurdle toward pure-intentioned research.
3. Having a single payor or primary payor system creates a reliable and competitive market for better and more efficient products, but with better incentive. Instead of cheapest being best, effectiveness and efficiency will be king.
4. Incentive for preventative public health, and innovation in this sector. Proactive instead of reactive healthcare.
5. Reduction in administrative waste.
 
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