Obamacare Survives SCOTUS

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MontyPython said:
It would seem a fitting end to Trump's rein of stupidity that SCOTUS b*tch slaps him and the GOP on the way out the door.

Not only did Chief Justice Roberts lay the smackdown, but also Kavanaugh. Bravo!

OBAMAcare is here to stay, gents. Deal with it.

"Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested Tuesday that it wasn't the Supreme Court's role to invalidate the entire sprawling, 900-page Affordable Care Act, even if one or more provisions are deemed unconstitutional, signaling the key parts of Obamacare will survive the latest court challenge.

As the pandemic rages, President Donald Trump lashes out at election returns and President-elect Joe Biden prepares for a new administration, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments to discuss whether to invalidate the linchpin of the nation's health care system.

The Trump administration and several Republican-led states are asking the court to strike down the law, 10 years after it was passed, potentially impacting millions of Americans. Should Roberts and Kavanaugh, at the very least, side with the court's three liberals, the law would remain intact.

Roberts said simply that if Trump and Republicans wanted to kill the law, they could have done it.

"I think it's hard for you to argue that Congress intended the entire act to fall if the mandate was struck down when the same Congress that lowered the penalty to zero did not even try to repeal the rest of the act," Roberts told the attorney representing Texas, one of the states fighting the law.
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Thomas Sowell explains why Obamacare is unconstitutional, and how Obama was garbage. Far more eloquently than I ever would. Those of you who voted for him are complicit in the damage done to this country, and the world abroad such as Egypt.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:


Thomas Sowell explains why Obamacare is unconstitutional, and how Obama was garbage. Far more eloquently than I ever would. Those of you who voted for him are complicit in the damage done to this country, and the world abroad such as Egypt.
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The Affordable Care Act (ACA), often referred to as Obamacare, was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2012 and again in 2021, according to Retina Today and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. While the Supreme Court initially upheld the individual mandate, it later ruled that it could not be enforced as a command due to a lack of federal authority to mandate individual purchasing of health insurance. However, the Court still found that it could be enforced as a tax, and this was the primary way it was upheld. The ACA continues to be the law of the land, and recent court challenges have been dismissed.
 
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Trump Administration Makes Sweeping Changes To ObamaCare, Ends ‘Dreamer’ Coverage​


by Nathaniel Weixel - 06/20/25 5:55 PM ET

The Trump administration is shortening ObamaCare’s annual open enrollment period and ending the law’s coverage of immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally as children, according to a final rule announced Friday.

In addition to the shortened enrollment period, the administration said it is ending ObamaCare coverage for immigrants who came into the U.S. illegally as children, also known as “Dreamers.”

The provision will undo a Biden-era rule that was estimated to allow 147,000 immigrants to enroll in coverage. A federal judge blocked the rule from being enforced in 19 states, and it is still being litigated.

The administration also banned plans from covering “sex-trait modification” as an essential health benefit beginning in plan year 2026. The policy will apply to the five states that currently include coverage for gender-affirming care, as well as in states that do not have such coverage expressly mentioned.














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McDad said:
both AshG and @LouderVol have been critical of ACA. AshG from a quality of care view and Louder wrt how his insurance premiums grew radically.
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I personally know a number of people, young people, who have bought plans in ACA open enrollment, particularly to cover anything catastrophic, and they are happy with the premiums. Seem reasonable to them and they cover their own infrequent basic care.

Now, part of the reasonable premium factor are the subsidies which are at the heart of the Dems using the shut down as leverage to try to undo the ending of those subsidies. How many ACA plan users actually grasp what's at stake for them, personally, I have no idea.

But if in fact the subsidies end that's going to be a rude awakening for some of the low income folks that voted for Trump without realizing the consequence..
 
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lawgator1 said:
I personally know a number of people, young people, who have bought plans in ACA open enrollment, particularly to cover anything catastrophic, and they are happy with the premiums. Seem reasonable to them and they cover their own infrequent basic care.

Now, part of the reasonable premium factor are the subsidies which are at the heart of the Dems using the shut down as leverage to try to undo the ending of those subsidies. How many ACA plan users actually grasp what's at stake for them, personally, I have no idea.

But if in fact the subsidies end that's going to be a rude awakening for some of the low income folks that voted for Trump without realizing the consequence..
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(for the record, medical insurance really isn't the problem - the RICO and anti-trust medical establishment is, nobody seems interested in addressing the anti-trust scams)
 
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lawgator1 said:
I personally know a number of people, young people, who have bought plans in ACA open enrollment, particularly to cover anything catastrophic, and they are happy with the premiums. Seem reasonable to them and they cover their own infrequent basic care.

Now, part of the reasonable premium factor are the subsidies which are at the heart of the Dems using the shut down as leverage to try to undo the ending of those subsidies. How many ACA plan users actually grasp what's at stake for them, personally, I have no idea.

But if in fact the subsidies end that's going to be a rude awakening for some of the low income folks that voted for Trump without realizing the consequence..
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It takes strength to cut anyone's benefits, even ones set to expire. I'm glad Trump and the Republicans have the balls to do it. The Dems never want to cut anything. They fought absolutely every cut in the BBB
 
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I would love to see some adult conversations around the cost of health care and the fact that it's hard work, but I don't think we ever will. It's super easy to just google "total USA health care cost" and you can see that it does cost about $1000 per person per month. That's what we as a society pay now. If your premiums are $1000 a month per person, you're basically paying the full frieght, but as you know you need to include part of your payroll taxes in there. It's about 3X what countries with the best systems pay, so a lot of people are getting very rich inside that box.

There seems to be a lot of delusion about the moral implications of medical capability, I guess you'd say, and I think mostly that is due to politicians and obviously non-elected influencers lying about all these areas. It would help a ton if at least one person on planet earth would just say "well, you know, the insurance company only has premiums to pay doctor bills with. They don't sell muffins, they pay doctor bills with the premiums". People prefer to say "I blame [something] and [bad people] now my premium is $300 or it used to be $300". But $300 is not what health care costs in this country. Somebody is paying $1000. that's what we really actually pay already, not what the bill is. That's what we as a society pay.

When people are in trouble they want help, but people who work in health care aren't slaves. Sick people are usually going to get poor. It's a problem.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I personally know a number of people, young people, who have bought plans in ACA open enrollment, particularly to cover anything catastrophic, and they are happy with the premiums. Seem reasonable to them and they cover their own infrequent basic care.

Now, part of the reasonable premium factor are the subsidies which are at the heart of the Dems using the shut down as leverage to try to undo the ending of those subsidies. How many ACA plan users actually grasp what's at stake for them, personally, I have no idea.

But if in fact the subsidies end that's going to be a rude awakening for some of the low income folks that voted for Trump without realizing the consequence..
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We are 37T in debt. Imo, we are way past leverage, rude awakenings, and consequences.
 
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The medical industry anti-trust scam has been going on for about 50+ years, which is on top of the credit/debt system scam which the current cycle has been going on since the last re-org in 1945. Eventually, peak of expenditures, collapse, elimination of the unfunded walking liabilities - if there is anyone left re-org, rinse and repeat.

I have no solution because one really doesn't exist that people want to hear.

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Sea Ray said:
Health care is a serious problem that Obamacare in no way ever fixed. It needs a serious overhaul by Congress. I encourage them to start such legislation/discussion...but it's not something to be done at midnight in order to avoid a shutdown. It needs bipartisan legislation.
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You could just enforce current law i.e. RICO and Sherman Act, but I'm not sure the results are what people are going to want. My solution is - somehow the equation stays afloat until my natural death.
 
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Obamacare premiums are quite high sans the subsidies. The plans also carry ridiculous deductibles. Furthermore they rarely cover you outside your home state. Healthcare is a huge issue and our pols have ignored it for too long
 
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McDad said:
We are 37T in debt. Imo, we are way past leverage, rude awakenings, and consequences.
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Which will never be paid back.

But I do agree it needs to be pulled back. Where's Bill Clinton?
 

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lawgator1 said:
I personally know a number of people, young people, who have bought plans in ACA open enrollment, particularly to cover anything catastrophic, and they are happy with the premiums. Seem reasonable to them and they cover their own infrequent basic care.

Now, part of the reasonable premium factor are the subsidies which are at the heart of the Dems using the shut down as leverage to try to undo the ending of those subsidies. How many ACA plan users actually grasp what's at stake for them, personally, I have no idea.

But if in fact the subsidies end that's going to be a rude awakening for some of the low income folks that voted for Trump without realizing the consequence..
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Prior to ACA catastrophic plans were cheap.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I personally know a number of people, young people, who have bought plans in ACA open enrollment, particularly to cover anything catastrophic, and they are happy with the premiums. Seem reasonable to them and they cover their own infrequent basic care.

Now, part of the reasonable premium factor are the subsidies which are at the heart of the Dems using the shut down as leverage to try to undo the ending of those subsidies. How many ACA plan users actually grasp what's at stake for them, personally, I have no idea.

But if in fact the subsidies end that's going to be a rude awakening for some of the low income folks that voted for Trump without realizing the consequence..
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Yeah it's great if you couldn't afford insurance before. Its a disaster if you could afford insurance before it.

I was just over the threshold. I went from paying 50 bucks a month to 200 bucks a month for almost the same package. It also cost me a doctor, and removed coverage for screening of a preventable/manageable issue i am genetically predisposed for. Further if I somehow caught the issue, thyroid, before it started actively trying to kill me, they wouldn't pay for stopping it. But good news once it was trying to kill me it is more or less paid for.
 
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