Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

[VolGee4]

It sounds like things are even worse inside the UNC program than I imagined. An insider with access to the program posted this on the myriad of things wrong on the UNC 247 site.


Attention to Detail
This is Bill's calling card, right? Well, so far this season, especially during the bye week, that attention to detail with scheduling and communication hasn't been there. Players and support staff are often notified of practice time and location only mere hours before they happen. From the top down, communication within the KFC has been abysmal this year, leading to a disconnect throughout many parts of the program. It may seem insignificant, but it goes to a bigger issue of disconnect within the program.

Nepotism
A little less so for the Belichick brothers, but QB Coach Lombardi is a nepo baby, and that's all I'll say. Does very little coaching and spends practice goofing around. Classic CEO's son.

Valuing Players
This may be the most controversial, but from what I've gathered, and based on my own experiences, it is obvious that the treatment and valuation of the players as human beings has deteriorated from the previous regime. There's a difference between being demanding and being an a-hole, and Bill leans toward the latter. Many players genuinely don't like the man, and when you're losing, that doesn't bode well for future recruits. To have respect and trust for a coaching staff, players must feel valued and like important parts of the team. It's painfully obvious that there is no respect for this coaching staff based on the lack of effort and energy seen today. Largely, this team has quit on this coaching staff, and we are 5 games in.

Halftime Lockerroom
Tale of 2 different sides in the halftime locker room today. On the defensive side, Bob Diaco was cussing them out and telling players to leave if the effort didn't pick up. On the Offensive Side, Freddie Kitchens was telling the offense "everything was going to be okay" and that they could win the game "one play at a time." In response to that, a very prominent sophomore WR called him out to his face and told him that "we need more energy than that coach." Players recognize that the coaching they're receiving is subpar, and frustration is growing.

Reading this reminds me why Heupel is so good. He understands the business side and will play the game. But....when you play here (even if it's a short time), he will treat you well and love you like a son.

To be honest, all of our coaches do this. Both Barnes and Vitello demand excellence but are player's coaches, too. It is a great time to be a Vol fan.

 

[RandomUTfan]

Wooly aphids

Pretty sure beetles hunted them into extinction. Familiar tale.

 

[vols 30]

Heupel talked like McCoy isn't close to returning. He sounded like he was pumping the brakes.

Not shocked.

 

[RandomUTfan]

Reading this reminds me why Heupel is so good. He understands the business side and will play the game. But....when you play here (even if it's a short time), he will treat you well and love you like a son.

To be honest, all of our coaches do this. Both Barnes and Vitello demand excellence but are player's coaches, too. It is a great time to be a Vol fan.

It's funny you say that, because that's why I always post what's going on with these other teams. I try to mind my own business but a lot of people like to complain about whatever they find to complain about at that particular moment, but we are so fortunate compared to MOST every other program in the country. No, we aren't as well-funded as probably just a handful, but we also have a guy who's built a great career out of getting more with less. And now he's getting more than he's ever had.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I've seen a lot of football and a lot of good and bad coaches. I think the biggest mark of how good a coach is is how hard do their guys play for them? What do the players have to say about him? Vrabel's teams always seem to play hard for him. See it with the Patriots now. They aren't the most talented team in the NFL, but yesterday they did beat one of them.

Yeah he just took a 3 win team and won on the road, in prime time, against arguably the best team in the league, in the toughest place to play and it's just game 5.

He did this all the time in Nashville. Beat everybody. Sometimes destroyed teams like the Chiefs and Bills in the regular season. You just can't win in the postseason with Ryan Tannehill, when you're facing other QB's like Tom Brady, Lamar, Mahomes, Allen and Burrow. Oh wait, he did beat Brady on the road in the playoffs and destroyed Lamar...So glad we fired him for an analyst

 

[RandomUTfan]

Yeah he just took a 3 win team and won on the road, in prime time, against arguably the best team in the league, in the toughest place to play and it's just game 5.

He did this all the time in Nashville. Beat everybody. Sometimes destroyed teams like the Chiefs and Bills in the regular season. You just can't win in the postseason with Ryan Tannehill, when you're facing other QB's like Tom Brady, Lamar, Mahomes, Allen and Burrow. Oh wait, he did beat Brady on the road in the playoffs and destroyed Lamar...So glad we fired him for an analyst

Yeah, Vrabel was the only thing that actually had me back keeping up semi-well with the Titans. I watched all the games. I stopped after he left. What hope is there for a franchise that gets rid of one of their best coaches in history because the non-football minded owner insisted on hiring a GM she could control when Vrabel said the guy wasn't ready? And clearly he was right! I bet it really irked Amy she had to fire him after the way that went down.

I don't get how Titans fans gloss over that to say Vrabel was the problem.

 

[tnvols72]

 

[barrylee]

Obviously Arch isn’t playing good but they had 15 yards rushing against Florida, 15 yards. Arch was the least of their problems Saturday.

Way too early to pronounce him as a bust!

And call me petty but I hope Nico doesn’t win another game this year.

 

[mrMet]

Yeah, Vrabel was the only thing that actually had me back keeping up semi-well with the Titans. I watched all the games. I stopped after he left. What hope is there for a franchise that gets rid of one of their best coaches in history because the non-football minded owner insisted on hiring a GM she could control when Vrabel said the guy wasn't ready? And clearly he was right! I bet it really irked Amy she had to fire him after the way that went down.

I don't get how Titans fans gloss over that to say Vrabel was the problem.

Ryan Tannehill was awesome in the 2.5 year run dude. How do you not remember that lol

You also forget Dean Pees left as DC because Vrabel wanted to take over the defense in the middle of the playoffs

He also had 2 bad seasons in a row. Started 7-3 and ended 7-10 in one of those seasons. If he was this superb elite coach, I guarantee he gets one single win out of 7 games.

Vrabel deserves plenty of blame just like many others in the organization do. He’s a solid coach but not his king he’s been made out to be

 

[RandomUTfan]

Oh, look. A tweet-off between a guy who's paid to fluff up the Big-10 and one who's paid to fluff up the SEC.

 

[RandomUTfan]

Obviously Arch isn’t playing good but they had 15 yards rushing against Florida, 15 yards. Arch was the least of their problems Saturday.

Way too early to pronounce him as a bust!

And call me petty but I hope Nico doesn’t win another game this year.

I don't think it's too early to say that unless Arch gets better coaching, he probably doesn't have an NFL future. He is not getting developed at Texas and it's hard to say if it's more that, or more a lack of talent. Ewers was better, but he also never really met his potential.

 

[zhangliao04]

Holy deflection. Yes it’s a tough place to play, but as a head CFB coach you have to have to better answer than that.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Oh, look. A tweet-off between a guy who's paid to fluff up the Big-10 and one who's paid to fluff up the SEC.

Dont give a damn about the “sec”. As long as the big is good/great/elite, dont give a damn about conference pride. I dont root for any sec team unless it benefits us (fla last yr against ole miss). Foh with that.

 

[MemphisVol3]

Holy deflection. Yes it’s a tough place to play, but as a head CFB coach you have to have to better answer than that.

Let's see how they do in Neyland next year lol

 

[RandomUTfan]

Dont give a damn about the “sec”. As long as the big is good/great/elite, dont give a damn about conference pride. I dont root for any sec team unless it benefits us (fla last yr against ole miss). Foh with that.

Yes, but CFB exists in a system where what is good for one member of the conference, is good for the rest of them, because revenue is split equally. This means little to you or me because we're only invested in whether Tennessee wins or loses, but it's important to everyone who gets a piece of those huge revenues. The worst team in the SEC is still making money off of football, well, unless you're Kentucky and you have to borrow from the University to bail out the AD, but it's true everywhere else.

What that has done has been to create a disconnect from the administrators of some of these universities and their respective fan bases. Florida fans are PO'd right now and want Billy gone last year. Everyone at UF seems to be fine with the way things are going. They made 200 million in revenue last year. Of course, almost all of it was already spent on paper.

 

[Derek Reese's jumpshot]

The dude was sprinting in early August..

If he listens to his "camp" and opts out to the draft, he is an idiot. Wouldn't draft him inside the first 3 rounds.

Sprinting and playing CB are extremely different things. NFL corners almost never come back before 10-11 months of rehab and that’s with better trainers. He’s still only 8.5 months removed from injury.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Wooly aphids

I believe they were released by China and carry a slow acting psychological type of virus that will turn us all into zombies. . . seems to be working.

 

[SKV84]

I dont think he will ever play another down for us.

 

[Orangeburst]

I assume we are healthy and a go, sans MCoy and Gibs.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Terrifying. Get in the underground bunker and pray.

 

[Adam Sandler]

That looked terrifying...it seems like it was just sitting there and not moving.

It was moving at 200+ miles per hour.

Edit: maybe said wrong. Wasn’t refuting your comment. Just adding to the shocking nature of the sight of it.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Pick 6 in his season debut against Bama the next weekend

 

[RandomUTfan]

I believe they were released by China and carry a slow acting psychological type of virus that will turn us all into zombies. . . seems to be working.

Speak for yourself. I just like the taste of brains.

 

[mrMet]

It was moving at 200+ miles per hour.

I may be wrong here but the tweet says 200+ mph winds. That doesn’t mean the actual cell is moving at 200mph

Can you help clarify @Adam2014

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Can we get a night game in Neyland? It would be nice. Yet we get to play all of our away games at night. So nice of this conference.

Almost like it’s intentional, huh? I mean they’ve had us listed to go to Kentucky at night every year. It seems like when the schedule comes out. Why does that game have to be at night? Kentucky sucks. Play it at noon. Why couldn’t the Georgia game be at night? That was a perfect game to be a night game but we can’t make anything any more difficult on the poster child.