President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[RockyTop85]

Providing them free healthcare doesn’t fix that. If anything it may worsen it.



Often self inflicted



Both directly (increased prices) and indirectly (increased funding of government programs to pay for their services).

Without rereading the post, I think it mostly said that many uninsured people aren’t deterred by the prospect of a big hospital bill that they’re never going to pay.

Are you disagreeing with that?

 

[Ritzwatch]

Are you in another online fight that is based on a misunderstanding??? Are people misrepresenting your point, again??? This seems to happen to you a lot, Luther. Wonder why?

WUT????????

 

[luthervol]

You're not making any sense whatsoever. If societal "now" is morally right, why would you compromise to change it? It would be immoral.

Please understand this.....and it is an incredibly OBVIOUS point.
Individuals do not share a common moral code.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not in my eyes. And I would do all within my power to make sure society does not make that decision.

I view that as my moral imperative.

Then society doesn't define morality. You seem confused.

 

[Vol8188]

Without rereading the post, I think it mostly said that many uninsured people aren’t deterred by the prospect of a big hospital bill that they’re never going to pay.

Are you disagreeing with that?

They’re even less deterred by a big hospital bill that the government pays

 

[McDad]

WUT????????

Do I need to type in all caps for you to hear?

 

[luthervol]

Are you in another online fight that is based on a misunderstanding??? Are people misrepresenting your point, again??? This seems to happen to you a lot, Luther. Wonder why?

The common reaction to uncomfortable truth.

Broadening perspective can be painful.

 

[luthervol]

Then society doesn't define morality. You seem confused.

Sure they do. On a societal level.

 

[Majors]

What? A Left shooter killed immigrants?

Media stopped covering it once it was a lib.

Media manipulation is what LG lives for.

 

[RockyTop85]

They’re even less deterred by a big hospital bill that the government pays

Assume that’s true. What does it have to do with what I said?

 

[Ritzwatch]

An aside, but,

Hospitals are fine paying for the non-payers.

1. The only way hospitals get to accept Medicare, whose beneficiaries provide a HUGE source of revenue to hospitals, is if they accept and provide emergency care regardless of ability to pay.

2. Hospitals get to write off all the “losses.” Helps pay for marble foyers and fountains in the gardens.

Most hospitals ain’t hurting.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Please understand this.....and it is an incredibly OBVIOUS point.
Individuals do not share a common moral code.

You're still not making sense. You've claimed that society defines right and wrong. But you also say that society needs to morally improve. Your handwaving aside, it would seem that you need to reconcile that contradiction.

 

[McDad]

The common reaction to uncomfortable truth.

Broadening perspective can be painful.

It sure can. I think you're doing a swell job at it too, Champ.

I see people react the same to the president. He shares uncomfortable truth. Even has a social media platform called "truth social".

We need the pain yall bring. It's important.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Do I need to type in all caps for you to hear?
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I typed it in my best Luther font. Maybe I needed more question marks.

WUT????……?????????……….??????????

 

[Orange_Crush]

Sure they do. On a societal level.

So, before changing, society was wrong? If society was wrong about X being moral, then it wasn't moral.

 

[McDad]

An aside, but,

Hospitals are fine paying for the non-payers.

1. The only way hospitals get to accept Medicare, whose beneficiaries provide a HUGE source of revenue to hospitals, is if they accept and provide emergency care regardless of ability to pay.

2. Hospitals get to write off all the “losses.” Helps pay for marble foyers and fountains in the gardens.

Most hospitals ain’t hurting.

Ill have to ask McRib about your point #1. Ive never heard her mention it.

I do know for a fact, the government uses Medicare reimbursements as a puppet strings to control hospitals.

 

[luthervol]

You're still not making sense. You've claimed that society defines right and wrong. But you also say that society needs to morally improve. Your handwaving aside, it would seem that you need to reconcile that contradiction.

There is absolutely no contradiction whatsoever.

 

[luthervol]

So, before changing, society was wrong? If society was wrong about X being moral, then it wasn't moral.

Is it moral for a woman to show her breasts in public?

 

[Orange_Crush]

There is absolutely no contradiction whatsoever.

There absolutely is, unless you've reduced morality to a meaningless concept. But that can't be since you conduct yourself here as though morality is anything but a meaningless concept.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Is it moral for a woman to show her breasts in public?

It is not immoral. It may be socially unacceptable in certain places. But it is not immoral. No one has ever stated that there are no social preferences. It's an odd question to ask in this discussion.

A better question is:

Would it be immoral to rape and eat babies in a society that accepts raping and eating babies?

 

[hUTch2002]

You have to literally reinterpret Obama's words and apply meaning that doesn't exist in the actual text to justify Trump's actions, and you still wonder why people consider MAGA a cult.

That’s where a lot of liberals live when it comes to Trump. Regardless of who does it, I find it entertaining. So and so didn’t say it but you KNOW what they meant.

 

[luthervol]

There absolutely is, unless you've reduced morality to a meaningless concept. But that can't be since you conduct yourself here as though morality is anything but a meaningless concept.

lol...We've yet again evidently reached an impasse.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Ill have to ask McRib about your point #1. Ive never heard her mention it.

I do know for a fact, the government uses Medicare reimbursements as a puppet strings to control hospitals.

Google EMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act.). It applies to “participating hospitals,” which are defined as hospitals that participate in Medicare.

Save your conversation time with your bride to trying to get a little lovin’ - @LouderVol is getting tired of your advances.

 

[Orange_Crush]

lol...We've yet again evidently reached an impasse.

Maybe this will help. It should be an easy answer to anyone who hasn't reduced morality to a meaningless concept.

Would it be immoral to rape and eat babies in a society that accepts raping and eating babies?

 

[McDad]

Google EMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act.). It applies to “participating hospitals,” which are defined as hospitals that participate in Medicare.

Save your conversation time with your bride to trying to get a little lovin’ - @LouderVol is getting tired of your advances.

Thanks.
No convo or loving tonight. She's at her boyfriend's house.