President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

Lol, what? It's perfectly fine to assume some can't pay. That's the case with every group.
the argument was that illegal immigrants couldn't get healthcare at all without this bill. if you weren't for this bill you didn't want children to get emergency healthcare. some even said Trump was banning healthcare for illegals.

and so what if they can't? why should our government's default position, to the point of holding up normal operation of the rest of the government, be paying for foreign citizens to get healthcare here?

as we have seen in the past this will only make healthcare more expensive in the future. its a self defeating cause. that will take something that isn't really a problem, foreign citizen healthcare, a real problem for the US.
 
A child is rushed to the local "hospital" in Sneedville TN after suffering traumatic, life threatening injuries in a car crash
...........................................is there need to continue????????

Imagine if they weren’t here illegally. They wouldn’t have gotten hurt and everyone else wouldn’t be stuck with the bill.
 
Are you a Hancock County guy
lol.....My best friend from college was a Hancock County guy. I actually went home with him a couple of weekends.
I was born and raised in East Nashville, so it was quite the culture shock......but we managed to have some great times there.

He told me some stories about what went on in Sneedville...................
 
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Gathering you're an "exceptional" person. Praying you're not a UT grad because that just waters down my old degree.

And, yes, it was given to Trump effective 2029, Juicebox.
Man that degree hasn’t been to good if you don’t know that Trump wasn’t given 400 Million. I had about 50 hours of college in said screw this when I got my Blue Collar job that has me making more money
 
Democrats want healthcare for all citizens, to heck with non-citizens… but don’t let that get in the way of a good story.

No they don’t, they just say they do. They have had plenty of opportunity to provide that in the past, but have they? D’s have no more willingness to do it than the R’s. They are both full of shat.
 
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No they don’t, they just say they do. They have had plenty of opportunity to provide that in the past, but have they? D’s have no more willingness to do it than the R’s. They are both full of shat.
If “more willing to do it” really means “have tried to do it and were obstructed by republicans at every turn”, then I agree.
 
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I read your post just fine. You said Trump was gifted a 400 Million plan which is a lie.
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Again. Read.

### Overview
Yes, Qatar has gifted a luxury Boeing 747-8 jet, valued at approximately $400 million, to the United States government for use as a temporary Air Force One during Donald Trump's presidency. The donation was formally accepted by the Pentagon in May 2025, following negotiations that began with U.S. outreach to Qatar earlier in the year. The plane, originally part of the Qatari royal family's fleet, is being retrofitted at U.S. expense (estimated at $400 million to $1 billion) for security and operational upgrades. Post-presidency, it is slated to transfer to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation.

This arrangement has sparked significant controversy over ethics, legality, national security, and potential foreign influence, with critics from both parties labeling it as unconstitutional under the Foreign Emoluments Clause (which prohibits presidents from accepting foreign gifts without congressional consent) and a form of corruption. Trump has defended it as a cost-saving "gesture" that benefits the U.S.

### Key Details
- **Timeline and Acceptance**:
- The Trump administration approached Qatar in early 2025 about acquiring a Boeing 747 after delays in new Air Force One deliveries from Boeing (originally ordered in Trump's first term).
- Initial discussions involved leasing or purchasing, but it evolved into a donation.
- Trump toured the plane in February 2025 at Palm Beach International Airport.
- The Pentagon formally accepted the "unconditional" gift on May 21, 2025, via a memorandum of understanding with Qatar's Ministry of Defense.
- Retrofitting began in July 2025 at a secure U.S. facility, including anti-missile systems, secure communications, and espionage sweeps.

- **Value and Condition**:
- New list price: ~$400 million.
- As a 13-year-old used aircraft: Estimated at $100–200 million depreciated value.
- Described as a "flying palace" with luxurious interiors, but requires extensive modifications to meet Air Force One standards (e.g., survivability, classified tech).

- **Post-Term Plans**:
- During Trump's term: Used as Air Force One.
- After: Transferred to his presidential library, allowing personal or foundation use, which critics argue circumvents gift-value limits ($480 for officials).


### Controversies and Reactions
The deal has drawn bipartisan backlash, including calls for investigations and blocking legislation. Here's a summary of key concerns and responses:

| Aspect | Concerns Raised | Responses/Defenses |
|--------|-----------------|---------------------|
| **Legality** | Violates U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9: No foreign gifts without Congress's consent). Could be impeachable as a "corrupt act." No congressional approval sought. | White House/DOJ: Legal as a Defense Department transaction, not personal; "bona fide gift" with no quid pro quo. Will be donated to library (private entity). |
| **Ethics** | Appears as bribery or influence-buying; ties to Trump's Qatar business deals (e.g., $5.5B golf resort investment). Qatar's history of funding controversial groups adds risks. | Trump: "Only a fool would not accept this gift... We're giving to everyone else." Saves U.S. taxpayer money for "Make America Great Again." |
| **Security** | Foreign plane may harbor surveillance devices; retrofits could take years, limiting international use without escorts. | Pentagon: Full inspections underway; costs classified but funded via existing budgets (e.g., missile program reallocations). |
| **Political Backlash** | Democrats (e.g., Schumer: "Naked corruption"; Raskin: "Grift") push resolutions/legislation to block. Some Republicans and Trump allies (e.g., Ben Shapiro: "Skeezy"; Laura Loomer: "Stain") criticize. | Qatar: Dismissed concerns; called it a defense-to-defense transfer. Trump: "Great gesture" from a defended ally. |

As of October 1, 2025, the plane is in U.S. custody and under modification, but legal challenges persist in Congress. No final resolution has blocked its use.
 
So because we didn't use nuclear weapons in those two instances, you think there's a self-imposed upper limit how the United States government will respond if attacked?

Some bizarre logic, but sure, ok, we won't nuke anyone on Qatar's behalf, you prepared to send US troops into Qatar to defend them from a conventional attack?
We have had troops stationed in and passing through Qatar since 2001.

The HQ of the US 5th Fleet is just miles away in Bahrain.
 
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Again. Read.

### Overview
Yes, Qatar has gifted a luxury Boeing 747-8 jet, valued at approximately $400 million, to the United States government for use as a temporary Air Force One during Donald Trump's presidency. The donation was formally accepted by the Pentagon in May 2025, following negotiations that began with U.S. outreach to Qatar earlier in the year. The plane, originally part of the Qatari royal family's fleet, is being retrofitted at U.S. expense (estimated at $400 million to $1 billion) for security and operational upgrades. Post-presidency, it is slated to transfer to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation.

This arrangement has sparked significant controversy over ethics, legality, national security, and potential foreign influence, with critics from both parties labeling it as unconstitutional under the Foreign Emoluments Clause (which prohibits presidents from accepting foreign gifts without congressional consent) and a form of corruption. Trump has defended it as a cost-saving "gesture" that benefits the U.S.

### Key Details
- **Timeline and Acceptance**:
- The Trump administration approached Qatar in early 2025 about acquiring a Boeing 747 after delays in new Air Force One deliveries from Boeing (originally ordered in Trump's first term).
- Initial discussions involved leasing or purchasing, but it evolved into a donation.
- Trump toured the plane in February 2025 at Palm Beach International Airport.
- The Pentagon formally accepted the "unconditional" gift on May 21, 2025, via a memorandum of understanding with Qatar's Ministry of Defense.
- Retrofitting began in July 2025 at a secure U.S. facility, including anti-missile systems, secure communications, and espionage sweeps.

- **Value and Condition**:
- New list price: ~$400 million.
- As a 13-year-old used aircraft: Estimated at $100–200 million depreciated value.
- Described as a "flying palace" with luxurious interiors, but requires extensive modifications to meet Air Force One standards (e.g., survivability, classified tech).

- **Post-Term Plans**:
- During Trump's term: Used as Air Force One.
- After: Transferred to his presidential library, allowing personal or foundation use, which critics argue circumvents gift-value limits ($480 for officials).


### Controversies and Reactions
The deal has drawn bipartisan backlash, including calls for investigations and blocking legislation. Here's a summary of key concerns and responses:

| Aspect | Concerns Raised | Responses/Defenses |
|--------|-----------------|---------------------|
| **Legality** | Violates U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9: No foreign gifts without Congress's consent). Could be impeachable as a "corrupt act." No congressional approval sought. | White House/DOJ: Legal as a Defense Department transaction, not personal; "bona fide gift" with no quid pro quo. Will be donated to library (private entity). |
| **Ethics** | Appears as bribery or influence-buying; ties to Trump's Qatar business deals (e.g., $5.5B golf resort investment). Qatar's history of funding controversial groups adds risks. | Trump: "Only a fool would not accept this gift... We're giving to everyone else." Saves U.S. taxpayer money for "Make America Great Again." |
| **Security** | Foreign plane may harbor surveillance devices; retrofits could take years, limiting international use without escorts. | Pentagon: Full inspections underway; costs classified but funded via existing budgets (e.g., missile program reallocations). |
| **Political Backlash** | Democrats (e.g., Schumer: "Naked corruption"; Raskin: "Grift") push resolutions/legislation to block. Some Republicans and Trump allies (e.g., Ben Shapiro: "Skeezy"; Laura Loomer: "Stain") criticize. | Qatar: Dismissed concerns; called it a defense-to-defense transfer. Trump: "Great gesture" from a defended ally. |

As of October 1, 2025, the plane is in U.S. custody and under modification, but legal challenges persist in Congress. No final resolution has blocked its use.
I did read the one post you posted. Then you posted something else to make yourself feel right. Your post said Trump wasnt gifted a plane which is a lie
 
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If “more willing to do it” really means “have tried to do it and were obstructed by republicans at every turn”, then I agree.

Ahh ... the old let’s blame it on obstruction from the other party stance. Clinton had the Presidency and majority’s in both chambers in 93 and 94. Obama had the Presidency and majority’s in both chambers for a term. Did they give us all healthcare? Did they try and rush it through when they actually had the chance and ability to do it? In my time on this earth history has shown less gets done for the will of the people when a party, either party has the majority.
 
Seek professional help, sir. Blocking you.


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