Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[OrangeTsar]

I'll never find it unimpressive that some of you can use the bible as justification to legislate that women be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, on "sanctity of life" grounds and turn around in the same breath, and be generally fine with death as a criminal punishment, in terms of "morality".

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Well, the Bible specifically calls for Capital punishment maybe?????

 

[BeardedVol]

Now do UN peacekeepers/aid workers, celebrities, congress, and teachers and any other secular examples that come to mind.

Me: "Yeah, secular people do exactly that, too" (legislate their belief system onto others)

You: "Yabbut atheists don't need eternal damantion for moral decision-making"
"...Christers would be raping and pillaging but for that"
"Okay, so they're not worried about eternal damnation and some clergy are raping"

What's the next stop on Rabbit-Hole Road?

Lol, I didn't realize that "UN peacekeepers/aid workers, celebrities, congress, and teachers" was as a set of religious beliefs that a few million Americans want to impose on the entirety of the country.

It was an interesting "what about" attempt though, to steer the discussion away from your preferred flavor of christianity, and try to characterize a non-religious approach to governance as some sort of unified belief system on par with christianity.

 

[Volfan8282]

The SBC disagrees with you. The Catholics would though, they believe that faith without works is dead.

Good deeds and works are fruits from that salvation but not a requirement for salvation. Even our best is like filthy rags to Him. Salvation does not give you a free pass to sin… it’s quite the opposite actually.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I wouldn’t respond on topic either. Has to be exhausting being proven wrong, continually

The only thing you've proved is that you have a chip on your shoulder.

What would I have to respond to here? My position on abortion has never been as supporting it in any manner that wasn't warranted.

 

[BeardedVol]

Well, the Bible specifically calls for Capital punishment maybe?????

You'll have to remind me where in the gospels that particular passage is located.

 

[Vol8188]

The only thing you've proved is that you have a chip on your shoulder.

What would I have to respond to here? My position on abortion has never been as supporting it in any manner that wasn't warranted.

Intentionally avoiding. It’s weak and sad. When your not intentionally misrepresenting comments of dead men, it seems to be about the only thing you’re capable of

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[evillawyer]

You'll have to remind me where in the gospels that particular passage is located.

That's not how the game is played. Don't you know, you get to cherry-pick anything you want from the Bible (gays bad) and use it to justify your own biases, while ignoring what you think is silly or nonsense (can't wear a garment of two fabrics, can't charge interest).

 

[appvol]

I'll never find it unimpressive that some of you can use the bible as justification to legislate that women be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, on "sanctity of life" grounds and turn around in the same breath, and be generally fine with death as a criminal punishment, in terms of "morality".

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I was just wondering if the far right talking heads would go with concentration camps or lynchings. Looks like trans concentration camps takes the early lead.

Need mental hospitals back and trans is a mental illness

 

[evillawyer]

Need mental hospitals back and trans is a mental illness

So that's two votes for concentration camps.

 

[lawgator1]

You were criticizing republicans well before maga was a thing

True but the MAGA component was there, just didn't have a name yet.

 

[Vol8188]

True but the MAGA component was there, just didn't have a name yet.

You were criticizing Romney. You’re just openly lying at this point

 

[Vol8188]

You’re going to unfollow this guy, right? Given how insanely/intentionally misleading he was?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

4.5 Billion. God works through a process at His own pace. But even before man; in each and every one of those years; the Heavens and all creation glorified their Creator

Yes, I know about the age. I was asking that question to that clown Dalton

 

[appvol]

So that's two votes for concentration camps.

If that’s what you want to call a mental hospital that then sure count me in

 

[appvol]

You'll have to remind me where in the gospels that particular passage is located.

I showed you

 

[OHvol40]

I think the fact they aren't raping and pillaging doesn't bolster your point.
We have SBs in our family for nearly 40 years. Jehovah's too. We're primarily COG. None of us are trembling in the corner over eternal damnation, or thinking today's a good day for rape and pillage because "hey, we're already in!"

Again, religious people overwhelmingly enjoy being what they are, whatever brought them to the baptismal pool originally.

This is perfectly fine, and faith is very healthy for some people, probably improves their behavior from baseline, actually. The desire to force their beliefs on others and legislate their beliefs onto others offends my sensibilities, though. Live and let live, stop being so concerned with what other people do in the bedroom or to their own bodies… it’s just weird and invasive man.

 

[Vol8188]

If that turns out to be accurate, the US crow population is going to plummet to endangered species level.

You’re unfollowing this clown now, right?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[jaybird_1981]

I wouldn’t respond on topic either. Has to be exhausting being proven wrong, continually

LG levels of being wrong.

 

[OHvol40]

The far right provocateurs are so giddy now. It's like Christmas morning for them.

Everybody knows John Wilks Booth was rumored to date a cross dresser, and the Columbine shooters were probably bi… it’s a pattern of sick liberal psychopaths!!!

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Zues1]

I see this video has already been posted.
So I deleted mine

 

[NCFisher]

It's not. The preacher in our church called it "backsliding", but always followed up with but "no man can remove you from the hand of god once you are in it, not even yourself".

I recall a sermon by J.D. Greear in the last few years trying to quantify what "backsliding" entails, and he just circularly returns to the concept of eternal salvation being place.

It's a convenient out for SBC members when they get caught raping kids, and covering it up.

Decades of Sexual-Abuse Coverups in the Southern Baptist Convention

A landmark report has detailed systemic abuse within the S.B.C., abetted by church leaders. Kate Shellnutt, a senior news editor of Christianity Today, discusses the fallout.

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I've excerpted most of Greear's sermon and here's the link: Beware the Complacency of “Once Saved, Always Saved” – JD Greear Ministries with my highlights.

It doesn't appear to be written as you read it. And makes more sense than your claim.

To boil it down, he states Jesus is Lord of All and that lifelong obedience to him until last breath is your only evidence of possessing salvation. And sums it with "The real doctrine of eternal security reads like this: Not only “once saved, always saved” but also “once saved, forever following.”

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Many cultural Christians think church is a good thing, but they are not committed.

...Ask any of these people if they are saved, and they will say “yes.” They will tell you about a time when they prayed a prayer and got baptized. But they don’t live their lives as if Jesus is Lord.

Aren’t these like the branches that God removed from Israel?

“Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, though a wild olive branch, were grafted in among them and have come to share in the rich root of the cultivated olive tree, do not boast that you are better than those branches … they were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but beware, because if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.”
– Romans 11:17–21 CSB

If we see that God was willing to cut off branches from his own original tree because of their unbelief, why would we (who have been grafted somewhat unnaturally into this Jewish tree) ever think we can get away with the very things that got them removed?

If this is you, Paul says, “Wake up! If this is what God did to the sons and daughters of Abraham, it’s what he will do to you, too!”

Sometimes Christians will use a perverted version of the doctrine of eternal security to assure themselves they belong to God. This doctrine says, “once saved, always saved.” That is, once you are truly saved, you can never lose it.

Eternal security is a glorious and comforting truth. But notice what Paul says in Romans 11:20: You will be kept if you avoid the unbelief that overcame Israel and “stand by faith.”

If.

We have two seemingly contradictory truths: On the one hand, the Bible says that once God saves you, you’ll always be saved (e.g., John 10; Romans 8); on the other, it says that only if you endure to the end will you be saved (cf. Hebrews 3:12–14).

You have to put the two together. One of the essential marks of truly saving faith is that it endures to the end. The real doctrine of eternal security reads like this: Not only “once saved, always saved” but also “once saved, forever following.”

Having a faith that endures to the end is evidence that you possess the salvation you could never lose. Not enduring to the end is evidence you never had it to begin with.

Saving faith is staying faith.

The evidence of saving faith is not the intensity of emotion at the beginning but its endurance over time.
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So, we must be cautious. Beware tolerating compromise in your life. Beware being casual and complacent in spiritual growth. Beware, lest sins you let go unchecked grow up and choke out your faith.

My fear for many in the church today is what Paul’s was—that they take forgiveness for granted, assume it is their birthright, and do the very things that got Israel removed.

Maybe they prayed their prayer, and they’re satisfied to sit complacent with their “get out of hell free” card. Or maybe they follow “Prozac Jesus,” who comforts them and is their BFF in a jam. But nothing about their life says that Jesus is in charge.

If we put you on trial for being a Christian, and the only admissible testimony was that of your friends at school, would there be enough evidence to convict you?

If the only evidence we considered could come from what your spouse observes of you at home, would there be enough evidence to convict you?

If your best friends at school or those in your family don’t know that you are a Christian, you probably aren’t. Who you are in the unseen, unrehearsed moments is who you are. Period.

Friend, if God removed those branches from Israel who didn’t really walk with God and submit to his lordship, won’t he also remove you?

The only Jesus is Lord Jesus—Lord of all or not Lord at all. His lordship is demonstrated not by the confession of your lips but the obedience of your life.

 

[McDad]

It would seem, that's a "no".
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You don't expect a maga caveman to agree anyway. I was wondering if you agree.