Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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marcusluvsvols said:
Bernie Sanders, AOC, the soon to be mayor of NYC call THEMSELVES Socialists, Social Dems, etc. You don't see the difference? The BLM website and ActBlue clearly calls themself Marxist. Its plain English man. Theres a big difference IMO between calling someone something that they actually are and calling someone a Nazi or Fascist. There are NO actual Nazis or Fascists in the US. None that are in any way relevant anyway. There might be some stupid cult of losers in some town that call themselves that...but there are zero politicians in this country that are Nazis OR Fascists. That isnt a threat to our nation. Socialism, Marxism, and Communism (which are all similar and related) are a very real threat to this country. There are groups of these morons on many college campuses. Many of the same idiots that are also pro Hamas and hate Jews. Theres a huge difference IMO.
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Call me crazy, but saying "**** the bill of rights" and disappearing at least 50 legal immigrants without due process to get raped in a prison work camp in a 3rd world country because they had tattoos that confused you seems pretty fascist.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Nuanced argument? 🤭

You sure you know what that means? It's not just about context, it's about nuance of the context itself. Ex.: If Kirk would have applied specificity to a provision within the Civil Rights Act, then that would be a nuanced argument.
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You don’t even know if he made a nuanced argument because you never cared to look beyond the singular line and then tried to proclaim from that one line that he didn’t believe black people should be able to ride in the front of a bus or use the same bathrooms.

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X was speaking specifically about certain provisions of it so that's entirely different.
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No he wasn’t. He was speaking about exactly what I said. That there was a down side of integration that you’ve acted like too much of child to openly discuss. Such as loss of black owned businesses.

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The fact that Kirk has promoted the theory of Great Replacement adds to the radicalism. It's ok though. He was a good guy, albeit a bit misguided, but stuck to his own beliefs and gave young, right wing Christian conservatives a voice. His words shouldn't have gotten him killed. It's a tragedy and I pray for his wife and children.
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You’re trying to change the argument

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Suggesting X and CK shared similar reflections a total lack of nuance to their comments
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You asked for an example because you ignorantly thought none existed. I provided one. I never proclaimed they have the exact same stance.
 
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Utah governor Spencer Cox basked in praise for his 'unity' plea at Friday's FBI press conference — but the man whose alleged assassin he was discussing once wanted him expelled from the Republican Party.

Cox dominated the podium detailing Charlie Kirk's murder just three years after the TPUSA founder branded him a 'weak moderate' who 'should be expelled from the Republican party'.

The 2022 social media blast came after Cox vetoed a bill banning biological males from women's sports — a move that infuriated Kirk and conservative activists.

Now friends of the slain activist find it 'ironic' that the same governor Kirk wanted kicked out of the GOP pushed aside FBI officials to control the narrative around his death.

The feud ran deeper: Cox also threatened to veto a statewide ban on transgender surgeries for minors, prompting Kirk to accuse him of being 'paid off by Big Pharma who make billions off hormone blockers and chemical castration'.

Yet on Friday, in a stunning about-face, Cox opened the press conference by claiming he was 'inspired by Kirk's writings and beliefs' — urging the dead activist's followers to let their 'anger fade'.

The governor's sudden reverence for a man who'd savaged him as corrupt rang hollow to those who remembered their bitter public battles.


Utah's Gov. Spencer Cox speaks at a news conference in response to the alleged killer's arrest

'My young friends out there, you are inheriting a country where politics feels like rage. It feels like rage is the only option. But through those words, we have a reminder that we can choose a different path,' Cox said, pleading with Kirk's supporters to 'find an off-ramp, or it's going to get much, much worse'.

While Kirk made his name by promoting the MAGA movement and ideas on social media, Cox warned young people that 'social media is a cancer'.

'I would urge people to log off, turn off, and touch grass,' he noted.

Pundits immediately praised Cox's performance, while contrasting it with that of President Trump, who blamed the Left for the violence, pointing to 'bad people, bad philosophies, ideologies, and politics'.

Cox's remarks angered Steve Bannon who spoke to the Daily Mail after his press conference.

'Spencer Cox is a national embarrassment—in a time where we need action he tells us to sing Kumbaya and hold hands with ANTIFA,' he said.

'While the good and decent Charlie Kirk lies in a mortuary awaiting burial he tells us to invite Democrats over for a cookout—the radical Left that burns Portland daily and shoots up school kids weekly.

'This is not a time for treacly pontificating—this is a time to declare ANTIFA a domestic terrorist organization and have the FBI go kick down some doors,' Bannon added.

MAGA political and legal journalist Julie Kelly also expressed her frustration with Cox to the Daily Mail.

'It came across as grandstanding to me,' Kelly said. 'I don't know why an elected political figure should be the face of such a critical investigation and something so important that we get right.'

'I don't need to be lectured by Spencer Cox about how we should feel, think or act,' she added, describing Cox's long speech as a call for 'surrender'.

Cox, described by TIME magazine as 'The Red State Governor Who's Not Afraid to Be Woke' famously refused to endorse President Donald Trump's reelection bid until after the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania.

The moderate mild-mannered governor who made a point of sitting down with Democrats was also booed at Utah's state Republican conventions until he started skipping the gatherings entirely because of their vocal dissent.

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GOP revolt over Utah governor after Charlie Kirk feud revealed

Utah Governor Spencer Cox won rave reviews for his plea for unity and respect during the dramatic FBI press conference on Friday.
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Marine Fired Over Mocking Charlie Kirk Killing as Pete Hegseth says Pentagon putting military members on notice​


Pete Hegseth is putting military members on notice after a Marine was fired for making shock comments about the assassination of conservative influencer Charlie Kirk.

Captain Jacoby Williamson, who has worked in multiple positions with the Marines since 2013, sent out an Instagram snap showing an interview segment Kirk was doing called 'DEI in the cockpit.'

'Another racist man popped,' Williamson captioned the post, adding the emoji of someone raising two beers for a toast.

The post was brought to the attention of the LibsOfTikTok account, who asked: 'Hi @PeteHegseth, can you please fire this lunatic?'

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Captain Jacoby Williamson, who has worked in multiple positions with the Marines since 2013, sent out an Instagram snap showing an interview segment Kirk was doing called 'DEI in the cockpit'

'The Marine in question has been relieved of his recruiting duties, and the matter is currently under investigation.'

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Marine fired over mocking Charlie Kirk killing puts military on notice

Captain Jacoby Williamson, who has worked in multiple positions with the Marines since 2013, sent out an post showing an interview segment Kirk was doing called 'DEI in the cockpit.'
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Franklin Pierce said:

Marine Fired Over Mocking Charlie Kirk Killing as Pete Hegseth says Pentagon putting military members on notice​


Pete Hegseth is putting military members on notice after a Marine was fired for making shock comments about the assassination of conservative influencer Charlie Kirk.

Captain Jacoby Williamson, who has worked in multiple positions with the Marines since 2013, sent out an Instagram snap showing an interview segment Kirk was doing called 'DEI in the cockpit.'

'Another racist man popped,' Williamson captioned the post, adding the emoji of someone raising two beers for a toast.

The post was brought to the attention of the LibsOfTikTok account, who asked: 'Hi @PeteHegseth, can you please fire this lunatic?'

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Captain Jacoby Williamson, who has worked in multiple positions with the Marines since 2013, sent out an Instagram snap showing an interview segment Kirk was doing called 'DEI in the cockpit'

'The Marine in question has been relieved of his recruiting duties, and the matter is currently under investigation.'

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Marine fired over mocking Charlie Kirk killing puts military on notice

Captain Jacoby Williamson, who has worked in multiple positions with the Marines since 2013, sent out an post showing an interview segment Kirk was doing called 'DEI in the cockpit.'
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OTH discharge and no pension.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You don’t even know if he made a nuanced argument because you never cared to look beyond the singular line and then tried to proclaim from that one line that he didn’t believe black people should be able to ride in the front of a bus or use the same bathrooms.



No he wasn’t. He was speaking about exactly what I said. That there was a down side of integration that you’ve acted like too much of child to openly discuss. Such as loss of black owned businesses.



You’re trying to change the argument



You asked for an example because you ignorantly thought none existed. I provided one. I never proclaimed they have the exact same stance.
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I never said none existed. I said name and which. Wanted to see who you were going to compare. I specifically said if CRA didn't exist those things would still be happening. I didn't proclaim anything. I have seen the entire exchange
 
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It's weird that we're getting all kinds of answers about what people believed about the shooter's politics. I'm seeing quotes like:

I thought he was a Republican.

His family and he were big Trump 2020 people but IDK what happened since then.

He never talked about politics with me.

It's weird that people would be so unclear about his politics but he's also vigilant enough to do this crazy ****? IDK, maybe he's just shy.

Somebody pointed out that people that engage in this type of political violence don't usually fit neatly into an ideological box, especially if you're trying to put them in a broad left/right box.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It is a nothing burger. Wouldn't have posted it if I had taken the time to look it up. But still a stupid thing to say. Utahns are holier than thou, and this is what you expect from them.
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He was just saying that he expects more from people in his state.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
What happened to Charlie Kirk was terrible, no question but it highlights a serious double standard. People on the right are outraged over a single death here, yet support policies that kill civilians, including children, in Palestine every day. That’s not consistent concern for human life it’s selective outrage. And the left does the same thing. We should be together and hate violence of all sorts. I’m gonna see my way out of this thread, I wish everyone the best
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What policies kill civilians? The constitution or the dims refusing to put away criminals and keep out illegals? Did you heard about over 1000 people killed at a music festival? I didn’t see any outrage over that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's weird that we're getting all kinds of answers about what people believed about the shooter's politics. I'm seeing quotes like:

I thought he was a Republican.

His family and he were big Trump 2020 people but IDK what happened since then.

He never talked about politics with me.

It's weird that people would be so unclear about his politics but he's also vigilant enough to do this crazy ****? IDK, maybe he's just shy.

Somebody pointed out that people that engage in this type of political violence don't usually fit neatly into an ideological box, especially if you're trying to put them in a broad left/right box.
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Yeah, genius, he talked politics in his Antifa Discord groups because those politics didn’t align with those of his family/peers/regular people.
 
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