Israel vs Palestinians II

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n_huffhines said:
I don't care if you call it the same phrase. It's idiotic, but you can claim a win on a technicality if you want to.

The difference is in one instance, one group did it to itself peacefully while compensating the "cleansed" and in the other case a group is doing it to another group by killing 100,000+ of them in the process.

You can use the same phrase but it's not the same thing, and only an idiot would think you have a valid point. Only an idiot who argues in bad faith would reduce my response to "ackshually"
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Only an idiot would argue equivalency is the point.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Only an idiot would argue equivalency is the point.
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Omg, what are we talking about here? You won't answer, but what is worse? Paying your people to leave or killing* other people to leave? Of course that is the point. Now slink out. Bye

*And don't give me **** about 10/7. Israel did this in a war they started in 1967, too. 10/7 doesn't happen without that atrocity.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Omg, what are we talking about here? You won't answer, but what is worse? Paying your people to leave or killing other people to leave? Bye

And don't give me **** about 10/7. Israel did this in awar they started in 1967, too.
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It's pretty clear what we're talking about by my reply to @NCFisher .
NCFisher said:
It's an authoritarian play to coerce speech as they want you to speak it, and thus coerce thought as they want you to think it.
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Israel isn't committing genocide or ethnic cleansing. Keep clutching your peals and acting aloof to my point, though.

Don't forget to link the UN's most recent updates to the definition of famine in your next tiktok or Instagram cut and paste.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Possibly but it is hypocritical for the Arabs to scream about Jews being on their land and Palestine when they are actively (now in the PRESENT) murdering Christians and other minorities in their nations.

You flood this thread with anti-semitic garbage but won't even acknowledge the murder of Coptic Egyptians, Assyrians, Armenians (look up what Azerbaijan is doing to Armenians right now), etc. Where is the outrage from you on those actions?

If Palestinians have a right to Palestine than I advocate that some of these other minorities should have the right to their lands.

Your entire logic is flawed about Palestine and I am showing it in this very post.

Palestinians, despite what you saw, are primarily Arab and Muslim. There are multiple Arab/Muslim lands for them to live in such as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Lebanon, etc. There is literally only one land for Jews to live in and you are fighting against it.

Now is Israel going to far in its current war, sure. However, the left and posters like you are clearly playing favorites and picking sides rather than really seeking Justice. If you were really seeking justice, you would be talking about the other minorities above. This is why your actions sound anti-semitic.

Even going off your Turkish-Greek argument. You are showing a single incident were 50k Turks died on Greeks while I am pointing out incidents were millions of Greeks have died at the hands of Turks and entire swaths of territory has been taken from them which were lands they settled 1000s of years ago including the capital of their religion faith (Constantinople).
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Those goalposts are in the next city by now. Should the Greeks apologize and why or why not?
'The Arabs' aren't a monolith just as the 'the Europeans' and 'the Jews' aren't. The particular Arabs, the Palestinians, complaining about being disposessed aren't in other countries committing war crimes, are they?
I don't flood anywhere with anti-Semetic anything and I don't deny or proven crimes and I don't condone atrocities regardless of perpetrator. You just pulled that out of your lower colon and it doesn't help your argument.
 
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volbound1700 said:
You literally didn't even read my post about the part where I said I really didn't think you were.

You are a sheep. You don't think for yourself or consider alternative viewpoints or do empirical research. It is clear.

There is a bigger world out there besides your partisan bubble.
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You need to look in a mirror.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
It's pretty clear what we're talking about by my reply to @NCFisher .

Israel isn't committing genocide or ethnic cleansing. Keep clutching your peals and acting aloof to my point, though.

Don't forget to link the UN's most recent updates to the definition of famine in your next tiktok or Instagram cut and paste.
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You didn't answer the question, of course, you waste of time.

The label is not the problem. The problem is the horror the label represents. As a little kid, I understood the concept that you can call a rose whatever you want, it is what it is. We're talking about the mass killing of tens of thousands of women and children and you are being a pedantic d-bag.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Must be an awful terribly planned "genocide" since the "targeted" population has grown in size every year the past decade including this one.

People aren't being arrested for speaking against it, they are being arrested for the usual BS (vandalism, trespassing, blocking streets)
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Look up Rümeysa Öztürk.
 
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EasternVol said:
You need to look in a mirror.
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Coming from the person who didn't likely even know who the Assyrians or Coptics were until today lol... I am not the one going into threads and blasting propaganda. If you care about genocide, make a thread about the Armenians getting killed by Azerbaijan right now. You won't...
 
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volbound1700 said:
Coming from the person who didn't likely even know who the Assyrians or Coptics were until today lol... I am not the one going into threads and blasting propaganda. If you care about genocide, make a thread about the Armenians getting killed by Azerbaijan right now. You won't...
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Did you make a thread a thread about it?
 
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Smokey123 said:
Did you make a thread a thread about it?
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No, but I am not the one on here parroting Palestinian propaganda all over the place. I don't think this stuff is even our business as there is no way we know the facts. We are just spoon fed what media wants us to hear.
 
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Smokey123 said:
It was huff

I think this is a fair response. People have to fight that inner bigotry and not let that be the response. A small group is not an indictment on the entire group of people
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agreed, a person has to challenge themselves.

My grandparents were very bigoted. They weren't bad people, but years of conditioning and normalizing bigotry programs you. They didn't even realize what they were doing. They used the term off brands to describe anyone who wasn't white. The crazy thing is they didn't even consider it derogatory, just a term to describe anyone non white.

A couple of years before their health failed them they both had different experiences within a very short period of time. First my grandmother lost her wallet at the grocery. While we were discussing what we should do there was a knock at the door. A young AA boy, about 12 was at the door, his mother in the car. He found it and asked his mom to drive to the address and give it back. My grandmother gave him the $20 that was still in it untouched.

My grandfather shortly after came back to a note and damage to his car. A Hispanic gentleman had bumped into his rear while backing out. He explained he waited for about 15 minutes to apologize but had a plumbing job to get to. He left his number and explained that if he could get an estimate for repairs he would give him the cash up front to pay for it........ And he did. My grandfather was anal about his vehicles, all were immaculately kept.

The point is how often do both of those things things happen like that?

I took those lessons to heart, and hoped they made some difference in their views and ways of thinking about other people.
 
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volbound1700 said:
No, but I am not the one on here parroting Palestinian propaganda all over the place. I don't think this stuff is even our business as there is no way we know the facts. We are just spoon fed what media wants us to hear.
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So you don’t care about it either? You’re just using their genocide for a talking point?
 
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NCFisher said:
Israel is inseparable from the Israeli Jew who calls it home - Zion - and intends not to leave it. Zion isn't a cute puppy you can name whatever you want; it's the Jews' home. Mr. Knife Attack just said the quiet part out loud. Many simply use 'Zionist' to say if softly.

Whatever you want it to mean is inconsequential; the term anti-Zionist expresses the idea that Israel should not exist. It is the meaning even among the ultra-orthodox Jewish sects of Israel who believe Israel has no right to exist, and even support Hamas, PLO, Iran goals of destroying it.

Some who babble about Zionists but genuinely "have Jew friends" have navel-gazing notions that it's just protesting treatment of Palestinians, or lack of 2-state solution.

Zion and anti-Zionist have meaning. Aside from the suicidal sect Jews, every Jew living there is a Zionist; there's no hair to split.

So what do you tell yourself being anti-Zionist is?
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This is why intent matter. To some Zionism means nothing more than supporting the existence of a Jewish homeland. To others it means much more than that

And a ton of different reasons people have for being anti Zionism n
 
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volbound1700 said:
Well one difference is that people like you and most posters will b1tch and moan about oppression of Muslims in the Middle East (Palestine) but not say one word about oppression of Christians (Assyrians, Coptics, or Armenians).

I would say that is one STARK difference already.

I have already pointed out, to you, the fact that Muslims have taken significant territory from other religious groups and killed off their local population. Literally the only land that Muslims have been driven off of in record history is Ukraine (Tartars) and Iberia (Spanish Reconquista). Pretty much all of the Middle East, some of the Balkans, Central Asia, Pakistan, and most of Northern Africa were seized by Muslim Arabs (or Turks) and saw the local population driven off or exterminated.
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You have an extremely selective memory or your reading comprehension is trash. I've mentioned the plight of Palestinian Christians here several times, this being the Israel / Palestinian thread.
Do you have any documentation for that 'driven off or exterminated' line?
 
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KB5252 said:
agreed, a person has to challenge themselves.

My grandparents were very bigoted. They weren't bad people, but years of conditioning and normalizing bigotry programs you. They didn't even realize what they were doing. They used the term off brands to describe anyone who wasn't white. The crazy thing is they didn't even consider it derogatory, just a term to describe anyone non white.

A couple of years before their health failed them they both had different experiences within a very short period of time. First my grandmother lost her wallet at the grocery. While we were discussing what we should do there was a knock at the door. A young AA boy, about 12 was at the door, his mother in the car. He found it and asked his mom to drive to the address and give it back. My grandmother gave him the $20 that was still in it untouched.

My grandfather shortly after came back to a note and damage to his car. A Hispanic gentleman had bumped into his rear while backing out. He explained he waited for about 15 minutes to apologize but had a plumbing job to get to. He left his number and explained that if he could get an estimate for repairs he would give him the cash up getting to pay for it........ And he did. My grandfather was anal about his vehicles, all were immaculately kept.

The point is how often do both of those things things happen like that?

I took those lessons to heart, and hoped they made some difference in their views and ways of thinking about other people.
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Off brand is crazy 😂

This is what I mean when I say intent matters a lot. We’re all a byproduct of the environment we grew up in, some are victims of propaganda, others indoctrinated, some just grew up where certain things were normalized. I think most people are just navigating life and doing what they think is right
 
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Shabbat Shalom ✡️

It means the world to me seeing so many of my Volunteer family defending and supporting Jews and Israel. 🇮🇱

You are my heroes.

Thank you 💙

 
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@n_huffhines
You didn't answer the question, of course, you waste of time.

The label is not the problem. The problem is the horror the label represents. As a little kid, I understood the concept that you can call a rose whatever you want, it is what it is. We're talking about the mass killing of tens of thousands of women and children and you are being a pedantic d-bag.
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I didn't answer the question because it's a disingenuously framed kafka trap and irrelevant to the fact that Israel is not committing genocide or ethnic cleansing.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Coming from the person who didn't likely even know who the Assyrians or Coptics were until today lol... I am not the one going into threads and blasting propaganda. If you care about genocide, make a thread about the Armenians getting killed by Azerbaijan right now. You won't...
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Why wouldn't I know who they were and are? You're not the only one who can read.
Propaganda? No, that's not me.
 
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