Israel vs Palestinians II

[hog88]

Where did I comment on bigotry as an expected byproduct? You may be thinking of Huff. I do expect many Americans to be incredibly Islamophobic given even the slightest excuse to do so (see post-9/11, anything involving Zohran, or any of Marcus' posts) and I think people who do so are terrible people.

I have a Muslim friend from a town in Missouri whose mosque was burned down for no reason other than hate, and I don't think that's somehow justified by terrorist attacks by Muslims

The Joplin mosque was burned in 2012 by a nutjob who also set fire to a planned parenthood.

 

[NashVol11]

The Joplin mosque was burned in 2012 by a nutjob who also set fire to a planned parenthood.

Yes, a bigoted and terrible person.

Stout, who told investigators that he did not like Islam as a religion, admitted in his guilty plea to setting a fire that destroyed the mosque on Aug. 6, 2012. The mosque served families from neighboring states, many of whom provided funding for the operation of the mosque. As a direct result of the fire, many donations made during the Muslim holy period of Ramadan were destroyed.

There was also another arson attempt there a month before that

 

[Orangeslice13]

Okay, a damned just offensive war.
Happy?

Uuuuuihhhhh
If you walk up on me in an aggressive manner I do not have to wait on you to stab me or punch me before I knock you the **** out.
Pretty simple concept.

If you say “we’re going to kill you all” and start gathering troops at my border then I’m bombing you.
the best defense is often a good offense

 

[Smokey123]

I think antisemitism is where the far right and left historically meet for a beer.

And just wait til you're threatened by a kebab, Mister.

That I do agree with that. The horse shoe theory

I grew up in a small deep red town and experienced far more antisemitism than I ever have in my experiences with Muslims

 

[NCFisher]

In the name of Palestine, an elderly Jewish woman was stabbed in a kosher grocery store in Ottawa yesterday. She survived the assault.

Here are social media posts by the attacker.

Sound familiar?

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Sounds like the fellow just doesn't like Zio(jews)nists.

 

[NashVol11]

Sounds like the fellow just doesn't like Zio(jews)nists.

He said explicitly that he doesn't like Jews

 

[NCFisher]

He said explicitly that he doesn't like Jews

Exactly the point.

 

[volbound1700]

So should the Greeks apologize for their atrocities or not?
You want to stop history at a point that favors your darlings and not consider their flaws and transgressions. People calling themselves Christians and people calling themselves Muslim have committed atrocity after atrocity through the years. Switch religions or call one side Big Endians and the other Little Endians and the atrocities wouldn't change.

Possibly but it is hypocritical for the Arabs to scream about Jews being on their land and Palestine when they are actively (now in the PRESENT) murdering Christians and other minorities in their nations.

You flood this thread with anti-semitic garbage but won't even acknowledge the murder of Coptic Egyptians, Assyrians, Armenians (look up what Azerbaijan is doing to Armenians right now), etc. Where is the outrage from you on those actions?

If Palestinians have a right to Palestine than I advocate that some of these other minorities should have the right to their lands.

Your entire logic is flawed about Palestine and I am showing it in this very post.

Palestinians, despite what you saw, are primarily Arab and Muslim. There are multiple Arab/Muslim lands for them to live in such as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Lebanon, etc. There is literally only one land for Jews to live in and you are fighting against it.

Now is Israel going to far in its current war, sure. However, the left and posters like you are clearly playing favorites and picking sides rather than really seeking Justice. If you were really seeking justice, you would be talking about the other minorities above. This is why your actions sound anti-semitic.

Even going off your Turkish-Greek argument. You are showing a single incident were 50k Turks died on Greeks while I am pointing out incidents were millions of Greeks have died at the hands of Turks and entire swaths of territory has been taken from them which were lands they settled 1000s of years ago including the capital of their religion faith (Constantinople).

 

[KB5252]

Where did I comment on bigotry as an expected byproduct? You may be thinking of Huff. I do expect many Americans to be incredibly Islamophobic given even the slightest excuse to do so (see post-9/11, anything involving Zohran, or any of Marcus' posts) and I think people who do so are terrible people.

I have a Muslim friend from a town in Missouri whose mosque was burned down for no reason other than hate, and I don't think that's somehow justified by terrorist attacks by Muslims

I can't find it, you may be right. It was something along the lines of given the genocide you would expect bigotry to increase against Jewish people. And it not being about their being Jews. Like you said, it may not have been you, I don't see it now, maybe didn't go back far enough but I had just read it then saw your post I responded to.

Bigotry is natural, but should be resisted within your internal dialogue.

I don't consider 9/11 to be a slight reason. Though I admit when I flew on a plane not long after and seeing two Arab men on the plane fighting back anxiety at them bring on my flight.

 

[volbound1700]

I can't find it, you may be right. It was something doing the lines of given the genocide you would expect bigotry to increase against Jewish people. And it not being about their being Jews. Like you said, it may not have been you, I don't see it now, maybe didn't go back far enough but I had just read it then saw your post I responded to.

Bigotry is natural, but should be resisted within your internal dialogue.

I don't consider 9/11 to be a slight reason. Though I admit when I flew on a plane not long after and seeing two Arab men on the plane fighting back anxiety at them bring on my flight.

As stated, the left is full of sh1t on this topic because if they cared about people being slaughtered in the Middle East, they would be protesting and expressing similar outrage over Coptics, Assyrians, Armenians, Greeks, etc. who have faced persecution and slaughter (some are still this current day facing it).

 

[NashVol11]

Exactly the point.

Then it's a terrible point. Someone who is explicitly antisemitic has no bearing on the millions of people who oppose Zionism and Israel's actions

 

[volbound1700]

Then it's a terrible point. Someone who is explicitly antisemitic has no bearing on the millions of people who oppose Zionism and Israel's actions

Respond to my posts then. What about Arabism and there slaughters of minorities in the past and ongoing. Why aren't you outraged about that? Where are the street protests and free Assyria slogans?

 

[NashVol11]

Respond to my posts then. What about Arabism and there slaughters of minorities in the past and ongoing. Why aren't you outraged about that? Where are the street protests and free Assyria slogans?

This is an ongoing genocide being directly funded (and constantly defended) by our own leaders. People are getting arrested for even speaking against it. Weak whataboutism

 

[Orangeslice13]

That I do agree with that. The horse shoe theory

I grew up in a small deep red town and experienced far more antisemitism than I ever have in my experiences with Muslims

When I was a kid. Friend we’re not allowed to stay overnight at our house because of fears about our confusing religion.
My mother was southern Baptist.
I would tell them “I’m only Jewish Monday-Saturday “

 

[MAD]

Sure rate and overall numbers will be different. I wasn’t talking about any random white person or republican. The extreme far right has always been the driving force of anti semitism, I’m sure since Oct 7 the numbers may have changed. The extreme right also commit the most domestic terrorist attacks

But the reason I brought that up wasn’t to make it a left v right or to debate the numbers. You have someone who constantly brings up Islam and antisemitism. Even blaming Islam for a school shooter that has no affiliation to the religion and wrote remove kebab

There isn’t a lot that we know about the shooter.
But we do know that he hated Jews, and he hated India and other things.

My question, can he be influenced by Islamist without being affiliated?
To me memorializing Mohamed Atta, and using the phrase Mashallah shows that he was probably indoctrinated somewhat.

The meaning of Arabic phrase Mashallah is “what Allah has willed has happened” or “that which God wanted”.
Mashallah is often said to show appreciation for something happening for a person. It’s a way for Muslims to show respect, and serves as a reminder that everything is achieved by the will of God.
It’s a way for us to acknowledge that Allah, the creator of all things, has bestowed upon us a blessing. Saying Mashallah is a way to express this amazement.

 

[volbound1700]

This is an ongoing genocide being directly funded (and constantly defended) by our own leaders. People are getting arrested for even speaking against it. Weak whataboutism

We fund Turkey and Iraq too. They are engaged with Ongoing genocides of Kurds and Assyrians.

We fund Egypt and they have engaged in genocide of Coptics.

We fund Azerbaijan and they are engaged with genocide of Armenians.

Your argument holds no water. You are a hypocrite.

 

[Smokey123]

There isn’t a lot that we know about the shooter.
But we do know that he hated Jews, and he hated India and other things.

My question, can he be influenced by Islamist without being affiliated?
To me memorializing Mohamed Atta, and using the phrase Mashallah shows that he was probably indoctrinated somewhat.

The meaning of Arabic phrase Mashallah is “what Allah has willed has happened” or “that which God wanted”.
Mashallah is often said to show appreciation for something happening for a person. It’s a way for Muslims to show respect, and serves as a reminder that everything is achieved by the will of God.
It’s a way for us to acknowledge that Allah, the creator of all things, has bestowed upon us a blessing. Saying Mashallah is a way to express this amazement.

He also hated Islam

 

[MAD]

He also hated Islam

I didn’t see that, must have missed it, where did you see it?

 

[NashVol11]

We fund Turkey and Iraq too. They are engaged with Ongoing genocides of Kurds and Assyrians.

We fund Egypt and they have engaged in genocide of Coptics.

We fund Azerbaijan and they are engaged with genocide of Armenians.

Your argument holds no water. You are a hypocrite.

There is a big difference between "we have sent them money" and "we are throwing away our own rights and arresting our own students in service of this country, which can only accomplish its genocide because we enable it"

 

[Smokey123]

I didn’t was that must have missed it, where did you see it?

remove kebab is a far right meme mocking the genocide of Muslims. I’ve pointed it out 5 times. It was right beside the mag you posted

 

[Smokey123]

When I was a kid. Friend we’re not allowed to stay overnight at our house because of fears about our confusing religion.
My mother was southern Baptist.
I would tell them “I’m only Jewish Monday-Saturday “

Sounds similar to me. My dad was a Christian mom Jewish. We went to Different churches and messianic synagogues growing up. Lotta people give weird looks or switch up in attitude when they find out you’re jewish.

My favorite thing is when someone near you makes a ridiculous joke and then you tell them your Jewish and their face turns white

One of my brothers has darker features and he got mistaken for arab quite a bit

 

[MAD]

remove kebab is a far right meme mocking the genocide of Muslims. I’ve pointed it out 5 times. It was right beside the mag you posted

The more you look into it the more nuts he sounds.
Also he had a reference to -51 which apparently was about a mosque shooting.

He contradicts himself which makes me wonder.
Can you support islamists but hate muslims?

This came up on Google’s AI. (Which I’m not a fan of using. Someone called it the lazy mans research tool, and I agree)

Yes,it is possible for someone to support Islamists while holding negative views toward Muslims, because Islamism is a political ideology distinct from the religion of Islam

 

[volbound1700]

There is a big difference between "we have sent them money" and "we are throwing away our own rights and arresting our own students in service of this country, which can only accomplish its genocide because we enable it"

You will argue with a wall. It is clear you favor one group and care about them and not others.

Now I truly don't feel like any of you are really anti-semitic, I just think you guys react to media narratives and are stooges for what is in the media. In all confession, unless we live over there, we truly don't know what is actually going on.

 

[NashVol11]

You will argue with a wall. It is clear you favor one group and care about them and not others.

Now I truly don't feel like any of you are really anti-semitic, I just think you guys react to media narratives and are stooges for what is in the media. In all confession, unless we live over there, we truly don't know what is actually going on.

People making the argument that it's antisemitic to care about and dislike what's happening in Gaza would accuse a wall of antisemitism

 

[Smokey123]

The more you look into it the more nuts he sounds.
Also he had a reference to -51 which apparently was about a mosque shooting.

He contradicts himself which makes me wonder.
Can you support islamists but hate muslims?

This came up on Google’s AI. (Which I’m not a fan of using. Someone called it the lazy mans research tool, and I agree)

Yes,it is possible for someone to support Islamists while holding negative views toward Muslims, because Islamism is a political ideology distinct from the religion of Islam

There was also names of 2 far right extremist that attacked mosques, along with 6+ other mass shooters

I think they wanted to cause as much chaos as possible and it’s worked. I’ve seen people link him to Judaism, Christian, Jewish, far left, far right, anti government, anti maga, etc. an insane nut job that people shouldn’t politicize