Israel vs Palestinians II

[MAD]

More apartheid

 

[OrangeTsar]

Nice young man telling us what we want. This in no way is meant to inspire or motivate violence as seen at the end of the clip with the peaceful attendees.

Palestinian Activist Saleem Nussibeh at Rally Outside Israeli Embassy in London: This Will Become the Embassy of Palestine; There Will Be No Peace in the Middle East Until Israel Is Destroyed; We Want Palestine in the 1948 Borders.

When they tell you who they are, believe them

 

[85SugarVol]

You're such a waste of time. You argue in bad faith. You can't take me head on, which is just so pathetic. You have to invent a version of me that's easy to take down because what I'm actually advocating for is much more reasonable than supporting genocide because it's your tribe.

This gave me a good chuckle.

 

[MAD]

When they tell you who they are, believe them

 

[85SugarVol]

There is nothing wrong with being anti-zionist. There is definitely something wrong with hate crimes against any group. I can't believe I have to explain this.

It is “morally acceptable” to do anything to an ICE member.

Do ICE members constitute a group?

 

[NashVol11]

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That flyer is fake as hell, and once again the people saying Huff is "spreading propaganda" will ignore that

Photo of 'rape is resistance' flyer predates pro-Palestinian camp at Columbia | Fact check

The photo of the flyer has been circulating on social media since March, more than a month before an encampment protest began at Columbia University.

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[MAD]

One of the Most Important Two Minute Videos You Will Ever Watch​

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What we are experiencing in the West today is Civilizational Jihad. Watch this woman brilliantly expose how everything unfolding now was planned long ago by the Muslim Brotherhood. ​

Dalia Ziada is an Egyptian human rights activist and author who is a prominent critic of the Muslim Brotherhood. Her work in North America includes speaking at academic and human rights-focused events to expose what she describes as the dangers of political Islam, which she links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Some of the main points.

1) They found a document called the explanatory memorandum of the Muslim Brotherhood Strategy in North America.
2) They call it civilizational jihad manipulating the political system, manipulating democracy.
3) The key tool they are going to use to do that is the Palestinian cause.
4) And one other thing was mentioned in this document as well, Islamophobia.
7) They knew that this is their moment to target the Jewish communities because also if you look at their protests.
8) It's not about giving them a Palestinian state or giving them a better future. No, it's all about Jew hatred.




This video is so important I added the transcript below.


The Muslim Brotherhood as we know today, it's all about achieving their goal to sabotage western civilization from within.

And unfortunately, I'm sorry to say, they are succeeding.
They found several documents.
One of them, it's called the explanatory memorandum of the
Muslim Brotherhood Strategy in North America. And it details the strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood to infiltrate ideologically, democratically through nonviolent means North American society to sabotage it from within.
They even use this phrase through launching what they call civilizational jihad manipulating the political system, manipulating democracy.
And they said very clearly that the key tool they are going to use to do that is the Palestinian cause to bring the Muslim communities together and to get support from other communities to make people sympathize with their causes.
And one other thing was mentioned in this document as well, Islamophobia.
And it was based on another document that's called the project.
And the project is much broader.
It's about the strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood in the West in general.
So yes, all of what we're seeing today is not new.
It's not a reaction to a humanitarian situation in Gaza.
It's not random protesting in sympathy with people in war.
Death to America.
No, it's very well planned and they knew that this is their moment to target the Jewish communities because also if you look at their protests, it's not about supporting the Palestinian people.
It's not about giving them a Palestinian state or giving them a better future.
No, it's all about Jew hatred.
Going after American Jewish students, how this is going to serve Palestine or the Palestinian cause.
It's all about achieving their goal.
And unfortunately,
I'm sorry to say they are succeeding.

 

[MAD]

One of the Most Important Two Minute Videos You Will Ever Watch​

​

What we are experiencing in the West today is Civilizational Jihad. Watch this woman brilliantly expose how everything unfolding now was planned long ago by the Muslim Brotherhood. ​

Dalia Ziada is an Egyptian human rights activist and author who is a prominent critic of the Muslim Brotherhood. Her work in North America includes speaking at academic and human rights-focused events to expose what she describes as the dangers of political Islam, which she links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Some of the main points.

1) They found a document called the explanatory memorandum of the Muslim Brotherhood Strategy in North America.
2) They call it civilizational jihad manipulating the political system, manipulating democracy.
3) The key tool they are going to use to do that is the Palestinian cause.
4) And one other thing was mentioned in this document as well, Islamophobia.
7) They knew that this is their moment to target the Jewish communities because also if you look at their protests.
8) It's not about giving them a Palestinian state or giving them a better future. No, it's all about Jew hatred.




This video is so important I added the transcript below.


The Muslim Brotherhood as we know today, it's all about achieving their goal to sabotage western civilization from within.

And unfortunately, I'm sorry to say, they are succeeding.
They found several documents.
One of them, it's called the explanatory memorandum of the
Muslim Brotherhood Strategy in North America. And it details the strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood to infiltrate ideologically, democratically through nonviolent means North American society to sabotage it from within.
They even use this phrase through launching what they call civilizational jihad manipulating the political system, manipulating democracy.
And they said very clearly that the key tool they are going to use to do that is the Palestinian cause to bring the Muslim communities together and to get support from other communities to make people sympathize with their causes.
And one other thing was mentioned in this document as well, Islamophobia.
And it was based on another document that's called the project.
And the project is much broader.
It's about the strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood in the West in general.
So yes, all of what we're seeing today is not new.
It's not a reaction to a humanitarian situation in Gaza.
It's not random protesting in sympathy with people in war.
Death to America.
No, it's very well planned and they knew that this is their moment to target the Jewish communities because also if you look at their protests, it's not about supporting the Palestinian people.
It's not about giving them a Palestinian state or giving them a better future.
No, it's all about Jew hatred.
Going after American Jewish students, how this is going to serve Palestine or the Palestinian cause.
It's all about achieving their goal.
And unfortunately,
I'm sorry to say they are succeeding.

Our alliance with Israel does not make us safer. It puts us in danger. We do it because Israel is a special interest that spends a ton of $ buying votes and disseminating propaganda, and it works wonderfully. 95% of D's are still voting for Israel, even though their constituents are screaming at them to stop.

We have to be on the lookout for radical Islamic terrorism in the United States because of our actions abroad. Forget about the evil Israel is doing with our tax dollars. It does not serve our interest to meddle. It's not financially responsible. It puts us in harm's way. We've known blowback is the reason for these terrorist attacks for 20 years. And then we help an oppressive regime commit genocide, and we're shocked that there is blowback....and we blame the people who have been telling us that assisting a genocide might result in blowback.

Just amazing mental gymnastics by the Zionists.

Huff watch the video above, might change how you feel about the Muslim Brotherhood Strategy in North America. You might reconsider your comment about Israel does not make us safer. Israel is our partner when it comes to fighting radical Islam.


Anyone else notice that lately they have all started calling anything and everything Islamophobia to try and discredit?
And it's interesting that it's the exact same tactic that the radical Islamists use to give them immunity from being called out.
Israel is facing Islamic extremists, if you are too sensitive to discuss it, maybe this thread isn't for you.

From The Egyptian, Dalia Ziada

These radical Islamists are committing their crimes under the banner of Islam and the immunity of the “Islamophobia” narrative in the circles of apologetic Western intellectuals.
For decades, the term "Islamophobia" has been weaponized against any person who speaks against the crimes committed by extremist Islamists.
Believe it or not! I have been accused of being Islamophobic before because of my work against the extremist ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood.
I am a Muslim, and these criminals do not represent me. Fighting them is not Islamophobic.
I will continue to fight against their barren ideology until they are defeated.

 

[MAD]

 

[Orangeslice13]

You love Israel, so you obviously don't have a problem with propaganda or even outright lies.

Your problem with me is that I'm condemning the murder of tens of thousands of women and children.

At least you don’t deny the spreading of terrorist propaganda.
It would not matter if you did. Your credibility is shot.
Nothing you say matters.

And if you weren’t so soft that you had me on ignore you would have seen my comments on the war and how Israel could have handled it with fewer deaths.

That doesn’t change the fact that Hamas has an even larger responsibility for the loss of life. What kind of trash takes his children to a meeting with a group of combatants thinking that his children will shield himself and his fellow terrorist from reaping what they have sewn.

Not that you would condemn the use of human shields by Hamas.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I never defended hate crimes. I made fun of instances where the ADL was claiming bigotry and there was no bigotry, just criticisms of Israel.

There is nothing wrong with being anti-zionist. There is definitely something wrong with hate crimes against any group. I can't believe I have to explain this.

Maybe you should evaluate yourself then because you’re lack of self awareness is amazing

 

[OrangeTsar]

Inside the refrigerator of the average „anti-Zionist“

 

[EasternVol]

It was only offensive in the sense Israel didn't wait for them to attack, and the world knew the Arab attack was imminent. It's pure sophistry to term this offensive aa if unprovoked.

(Highlighting genocidy quotes in red, Jew blood are my embellishment)
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MYTH

Israel’s military strike in 1967 was unprovoked.

FACT

A combination of bellicose Arab rhetoric, threatening behavior, and – ultimately – an act of war left Israel no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage.

In addition to Nasser’s verbal threats, Israel was under attack by Arab terrorists. In 1965, 35 raids were conducted against Israel. In 1966, the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967, 37 attacks were launched.12

Meanwhile, Syria’s attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights provoked a retaliatory strike on April 7, 1967, during which Israeli planes shot down six Syrian MiGs. Shortly thereafter, the Soviet Union – which had been providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt – gave Damascus and Cairo information alleging a massive Israeli military buildup in preparation for an attack. Despite Israeli denials, Syria decided to invoke its defense treaty with Egypt.

On May 15, Israel’s Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force, stationed in the Sinai since 1956, to withdraw on May 16. Without bringing the matter to the attention of the General Assembly, as his predecessor had promised, Secretary-General U Thant complied with the demand. After the withdrawal of the UNEF, the Voice of the Arabs proclaimed (May 18, 1967):

As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain anymore to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence.13

An enthusiastic echo was heard on May 20 from Syrian defense minister Hafez Assad:

Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression but [also] to initiate the act of liberation itself and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united…I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.14

On May 22, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli shipping and all ships bound for Eilat. This blockade cut off Israel’s only supply route with Asia and stopped the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. The following day, President Johnson declared the blockade illegal and tried, unsuccessfully, to organize an international flotilla to test it.

Nasser was fully aware of the pressure he was exerting to force Israel’s hand. The day after the blockade was set up, he said defiantly: “The Jews threaten to make war. I reply: Welcome! We are ready for war.”15

Nasser challenged Israel to fight almost daily. “Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight,” he said on May 27.16 The following day, he added, “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel…The war with Israel [has been] in effect since 1948.”17

King Hussein of Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt on May 30. Nasser then announced:

The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel…to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan, and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle [and that] the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations.18

President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq joined in the war of words: “The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear—to wipe Israel off the map.”19 On June 4, Iraq joined the military alliance with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

The Arab rhetoric was matched by the mobilization of Arab forces. Approximately 250,000 troops (nearly half in Sinai), more than two thousand tanks, and seven hundred aircraft ringed Israel.20

By this time, Israeli forces had been on alert for three weeks. The country could not remain fully mobilized indefinitely, nor could it allow its sea lane through the Gulf of Aqaba to be interdicted. Israel’s best option was to strike first. On June 5, 1967, the order was given to attack Egypt.

By using the element of surprise, Israeli forces managed to break through the enemy lines after just six days of fighting and were in a position to march on Cairo, Damascus, and Amman. A cease-fire was invoked on June 10.

The victory came at an extremely high cost. In storming the Golan Heights, Israel suffered 115 dead—roughly the number of Americans killed during Operation Desert Storm. Altogether, Israel lost twice as many men—777 dead and 2,586 wounded—in proportion to her total population as the United States lost in eight years of fighting in Vietnam (approximately eighteen thousand Arab fighters died).21 Additionally, despite the incredible success of the air campaign, the Israeli Air Force lost 46 of its 200 fighters.22
myths-facts-2023-chapter-4-the-1956-suez-war-and-the-1967-six-day-war

Element of surprise in their attack, eh? And their attacks were designed to seize land? Sounds pretty offensive.

 

[NCFisher]

violence that is driven by antisemitism.

We don't know what the Muslim offender rate is in the U.S.
FBI doesn't track offenders by ethnic religious affiliation. And as with Hispanic/Latino, the MENAs (Middle East, North Africans) and Europeans are lumped in with the racial category 'White'. At least Hispanic/Latino are broken out in a separate Ethnicity category, but no one else is. For bias - 'Hate' - crime, the motivation of religious bias is captured when possible, but not the inverse religious affiliation of the offender.

I'd tend to think White, extremist or not, commit more crime of a type than Muslims, because there's exponentially more White. Offender rates are a different matter, though. Even among high-profile mass shootings, when I looked at it perhaps 6-7 years ago, Muslim-identifying persons were over-represented in such incidents, while others racial groups were within their % of the population. And though many convert while incarcerated, Muslims are overrepresented in the federal prison system; they're about 1% of the civilian population but around 9% of prison pop.

White could commit more bias (hate) crime against Jews but still any Jew be randomly safer with any random White than any random Muslim. Rate matters. We should but don't collect crime stats on MENAs and we ought to instead of hiding them among Euro-descent 'White'.
Of course, we'd also need to solve the problem of political reporting, manipulation and classification of crime stats for it to be of utility. Such as labeling parents at PTA meetings 'domestic terrorists' while yelling the white supremacy sky is falling, and ignoring things such as peaceful protests and the institutionalization of antisemitic bias crime on campuses.

 

[NCFisher]

Element of surprise in their attack, eh? And their attacks were designed to seize land? Sounds pretty offensive.

It was to prevent being stupid and just watch an impending attack unfold, in which superior numbers of attackers vow to eradicate you.
Sounds pretty fooking smart.

 

[EasternVol]

It was to prevent being stupid and just watch an impending attack unfold, in which superior numbers of attackers vow to eradicate you.
Sounds pretty fooking smart.

Smart or stupid it's still offensive war.

 

[NCFisher]

Will he blame Mossad?

"They said little blue pills are Pez, a childhood delicacy..."

 

[NCFisher]

Smart or stupid it's still offensive war.

Okay, a damned just offensive war.
Happy?

 

[Smokey123]

We don't know what the Muslim offender rate is in the U.S.
FBI doesn't track offenders by ethnic religious affiliation. And as with Hispanic/Latino, the MENAs (Middle East, North Africans) and Europeans are lumped in with the racial category 'White'. At least Hispanic/Latino are broken out in a separate Ethnicity category, but no one else is. For bias - 'Hate' - crime, the motivation of religious bias is captured when possible, but not the inverse religious affiliation of the offender.

I'd tend to think White, extremist or not, commit more crime of a type than Muslims, because there's exponentially more White. Offender rates are a different matter, though. Even among high-profile mass shootings, when I looked at it perhaps 6-7 years ago, Muslim-identifying persons were over-represented in such incidents, while others racial groups were within their % of the population. And though many convert while incarcerated, Muslims are overrepresented in the federal prison system; they're about 1% of the civilian population but around 9% of prison pop.

White could commit more bias (hate) crime against Jews but still any Jew be randomly safer with any random White than any random Muslim. Rate matters. We should but don't collect crime stats on MENAs and we ought to instead of hiding them among Euro-descent 'White'.
Of course, we'd also need to solve the problem of political reporting, manipulation and classification of crime stats for it to be of utility. Such as labeling parents at PTA meetings 'domestic terrorists' while yelling the white supremacy sky is falling, and ignoring things such as peaceful protests and the institutionalization of antisemitic bias crime on campuses.

Sure rate and overall numbers will be different. I wasn’t talking about any random white person or republican. The extreme far right has always been the driving force of anti semitism, I’m sure since Oct 7 the numbers may have changed. The extreme right also commit the most domestic terrorist attacks

But the reason I brought that up wasn’t to make it a left v right or to debate the numbers. You have someone who constantly brings up Islam and antisemitism. Even blaming Islam for a school shooter that has no affiliation to the religion and wrote remove kebab

 

[KB5252]

What does this have to do with Ramallah or Palestine, other than being bigoted toward Islam yet again? Is this even related to Islam or just a random car burning?

Just as observation:

you just commented that bigotry is an expected byproduct of violent actions against other groups of people, in your example genocide. And then turn around and criticize others for bigotry of a group that has been responsible for great acts of terror.

That's firmly in the space of hypocrisy my friend.

 

[NCFisher]

I never defended hate crimes. I made fun of instances where the ADL was claiming bigotry and there was no bigotry, just criticisms of Israel.

There is nothing wrong with being anti-zionist. There is definitely something wrong with hate crimes against any group. I can't believe I have to explain this.

Zion is Israel, the Jewish homeland. Finally, a place of refuge for the Jew after millennia of persecution.

Yep....nothing wrong with being anti-that, I guess.

 

[EasternVol]

In the very article you posted, it cites to Turks also killing Greeks. The Turks were also IN GREECE.

Half of Turkey should belong to Greece and you know it. If you are going to cry about Palestine than I am going to cry about the lands the Muslims took for us and the massacre of 100 Million Christians throughout Centuries of Arab and Turkish aggression and cleansing anyone that wasn't Islamic from the Middle East.

The massacres are well documented:

Assyrian Christians in Northern Iraq (by the way, who originally owned Northern Iraq and what was its original name? Oh right, it was called ASSYRIA).

Sayfo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Coptic Christian Egyptians

Kosheh massacres - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Armenian Genocide

Armenian genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Funny how you whine and cry about Palestinians but not one single post about all of this going on now. Many of these massacres are happening to this day by the so called religion of peace, Islam.

I will make a deal, I will support freeing Palestine if Constantinople/Byzantium is returned to the nation of Greece (plus all of Turkish Thrace which was owned by the Greeks throughout most of history), there is an Assyrian state setup in Northern Iraq, and their is a Coptic Christian state setup around the city of Alexandria (which was founded by a Greek).

The peoples of the ancient world, Babylonians (Chaldeans), Assyrians, Phoenicians, Jews, Greeks, Armenians, Cilicians, Phrygians, Medeans, Ancient Egyptians, etc. mysteriously don't have nations and are minorities today. Why is that? The great Arab/Islam Genocide which started in the 7th Century.

So should the Greeks apologize for their atrocities or not?
You want to stop history at a point that favors your darlings and not consider their flaws and transgressions. People calling themselves Christians and people calling themselves Muslim have committed atrocity after atrocity through the years. Switch religions or call one side Big Endians and the other Little Endians and the atrocities wouldn't change.

 

[NCFisher]

Sure rate and overall numbers will be different. I wasn’t talking about any random white person or republican. The extreme far right has always been the driving force of anti semitism, I’m sure since Oct 7 the numbers may have changed. The extreme right also commit the most domestic terrorist attacks

But the reason I brought that up wasn’t to make it a left v right or to debate the numbers. You have someone who constantly brings up Islam and antisemitism. Even blaming Islam for a school shooter that has no affiliation to the religion and wrote remove kebab

I think antisemitism is where the far right and left historically meet for a beer.

And just wait til you're threatened by a kebab, Mister.

 

[MAD]

In the name of Palestine, an elderly Jewish woman was stabbed in a kosher grocery store in Ottawa yesterday. She survived the assault.

Here are social media posts by the attacker.

Sound familiar?

 

[NashVol11]

Just as observation:

you just commented that bigotry is an expected byproduct of violent actions against other groups of people, in your example genocide. And then turn around and criticize others for bigotry of a group that has been responsible for great acts of terror.

That's firmly in the space of hypocrisy my friend.

Where did I comment on bigotry as an expected byproduct? You may be thinking of Huff. I do expect many Americans to be incredibly Islamophobic given even the slightest excuse to do so (see post-9/11, anything involving Zohran, or any of Marcus' posts) and I think people who do so are terrible people.

I have a Muslim friend from a town in Missouri whose mosque was burned down for no reason other than hate, and I don't think that's somehow justified by terrorist attacks by Muslims