Maybe We Like a Dictator

Maybe we like a dictator?

  • Yes. I want to abandon our democracy and voting, and be ruled by Trump.

    Votes: 13 50.0%

  • No. I want to preserve our democracy.

    Votes: 13 50.0%
  • Total voters
    26
#151
#151
EasternVol said:
Which didn't happen. The Three Fifths Compromise was a compromise and not suppression. Again, look at state populations in the 1780's, and the largest cities in 1790. There weren't many what we'd call cities, and of the 20 largest, 13 were free and 7 were slave. That's not a huge gap. One region suppressing the other or trying to would have just resulted in ratification being delayed until the suppression ceased.
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Ok, so explain to me what the compromise was, and why it had to be a compromise instead of a unanimous decision?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Ok, so explain to me what the compromise was, and why it had to be a compromise instead of a unanimous decision?
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The three fifths compromise was an agreement between the southern states and the northern states, in which increased southern states' population by counting each slave as 3/5s of a person so they would have a fair vote in congress.
It was a compromise between the two so southern states wouldn't secede.
 
#153
#153
SpaceCoastVol said:
What elements of 'democracy' is Trump eroding?

This should be good
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Why would this be a difficult question? He has been at odds with half the Bill of Rights and is currently trying to take over the Fed and force DC to impose the death penalty on a ridiculous number of cases
 
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#154
NashVol11 said:
Why would this be a difficult question? He has been at odds with half the Bill of Rights and is currently trying to take over the Fed and force DC to impose the death penalty on a ridiculous number of cases
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What BoR specifically has he attacked?

I happen to agree with taking over the Fed and disbanding it. And just because he wants to impose the death penalty doesn't mean it will happen. There is a process for that. The only reason I disagree with the death penalty is that I think a murderer should have to live in a 3x6 cell for 23 hours/day forever. Christain/Newsome murderers should never see the sky or light of day. Ever. And that is but one example
 
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#155
OHvol40 said:
Ok, so explain to me what the compromise was, and why it had to be a compromise instead of a unanimous decision?
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Do you seriously not know? Slave states wanted slaves to be counted toward congressional representation and free states didn't.. A compromise was reached for 60% to be counted toward representation.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Freedom of speech, due process, 10th Amendment with the National Guard thing, 8th with his recent statements on capital punishment in DC, I'm sure there are more
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When for freedom of speech? All he said was that CNN was fake news, not outlaw them...

And he's not wrong.
 
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Peradox1K said:
The three fifths compromise was an agreement between the southern states and the northern states, in which increased southern states' population by counting each slave as 3/5s of a person so they would have a fair vote in congress.
It was a compromise between the two so southern states wouldn't secede.
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Right, and who was that compromise “fair” to? Was it fair to the slaves? What did the northern states want, and why was the compromise that a slave was 3/5ths a person, instead of a whole person?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Right, and who was that compromise “fair” to? Was it fair to the slaves? What did the northern states want, and why was the compromise that a slave was 3/5ths a person, instead of a whole person?
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No, but it was a different time.
I don't even know why it was brought up... I was just answering your question. It's in my nature, I teach.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
We don't live in a democracy. The US is a Constitutional Republic so....
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Constitutional republic is a form of democracy. But “A” for effort for trying to be a smart ass, Sparky.

The United States is a democracy, specifically a constitutional federal republic. It is a democracy because the power to govern is ultimately held by the people, who exercise it through elected representatives. It is a republic because the head of state is not a monarch, and the government is based on a constitution that limits the power of the government and protects individual rights.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Right, and who was that compromise “fair” to? Was it fair to the slaves? What did the northern states want, and why was the compromise that a slave was 3/5ths a person, instead of a whole person?
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Neither free nor slave states cared a lot what was fair to the slaves. If they did there wouldn't have been legal slavery under the Constitution.
 
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EasternVol said:
Do you seriously not know? Slave states wanted slaves to be counted toward congressional representation and free states didn't.. A compromise was reached for 60% to be counted toward representation.
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No, the compromise was that slaves are 3/5th of a person. Which of course equates to 60%, but it’s an important distinction in terms of perception. It just furthers my point that the people in power in southern states have always fought for maintaining disproportionate power, hence the system of government we have to this day.
 
#165
#165
Peradox1K said:
I

I disagree with your statement entirely. Dems are more likely to flip and become Commie Dictators.

Also none of those have happened.
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Doesn’t matter if you agree with what I have to say. What matters is do you agree with what Trump said?
 
#168
#168
EasternVol said:
Neither free nor slave states cared a lot what was fair to the slaves. If they did there wouldn't have been legal slavery under the Constitution.
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Calling bs on this generalization. The constitution was ratified when it was a normal practice, but we evolved and reformed despite slave states. Look at the amendments that have ratified the constitution since its founding and what it took to get there.
 
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McDad said:
Here are the dots i am connecting in the way I understand them.

It isn't illegal to send the guard outside DC. You aren't sure what the NG's orders are in DC. And if the NG is sent to another city or state, you don't know if they will act as they are in DC.
So, there isn't an illegal aspect to what is known. You are more so concerned with illegal activity on what might be.

Is that accurate.
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Basically. Once POTUS federalizes a NG unit they would be bound by the limitations of the posse comitatus act and barred from law enforcement activities. So in short, what's the use of POTUS activating a NG unit in a city if they cannot preform LE duties?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Really? Can’t put that one together? They were not the majority but wanted a system that did not see them cede power, so we got what we got, and they were financially important enough for a fledgling nation to concede this.
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They were white men, how were they not in the majority?
 
#172
#172
hog88 said:
Basically. Once POTUS federalizes a NG unit they would be bound by the limitations of the posse comitatus act and barred from law enforcement activities. So in short, what's the use of POTUS activating a NG unit in a city if they cannot preform LE duties?
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That’s a really great question. Find the answer, and you’ll find the REAL motivation behind the activation.
 
#173
#173
OHvol40 said:
No, the compromise was that slaves are 3/5th of a person. Which of course equates to 60%, but it’s an important distinction in terms of perception. It just furthers my point that the people in power in southern states have always fought for maintaining disproportionate power, hence the system of government we have to this day.
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The three fifths or 60% or nine fifteenths or however you want to express the proportion was only for congressional representation and the Electoral College. It didn't set their legal worth as humans. I don't think there was any 'five slaves' testimony is worth three free peoples'' rules.
Are you sure that Southern founders worked more to gain disproportionate power than Northern founders? I'd say both sides worked hard to protect their interests.
 
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