War in Ukraine

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hog88 said:
Wouldn’t Ukraine have to agree to give up that territory?
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Furthermore, he doesn't address any of the Russians concerns. Hey, didn't you know you just call it quits in a war anytime you want. 🤷‍♂️

How do these people even get dressed in the morning is what I want to know? About 80% of the time, I have no idea if someone is joking or not.

2025 and an adult has to be explained this...

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Just thinking what the right wing reaction would be if Biden had done all the slavish stuff Trump just did and then Putin turned around and bombed an American company in Ukraine. It'd be Bidenisap*ssy-palooza on Fox for weeks.
 
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evillawyer said:
Just thinking what the right wing reaction would be if Biden had done all the slavish stuff Trump just did and then Putin turned around and bombed an American company in Ukraine. It'd be Bidenisap*ssy-palooza on Fox for weeks.
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American mercs are dying in the Ukraine, so what?

Are you going to join up and take care of Da Pootin? Send video I have to see this.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Doubt. Actually I said he couldn't, but I will give you doubt.



But you would be screaming if he did it already. If he pulled the carpet out, most likely looking at unconditional surrender.
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Your attempt to predict how I would respond to Trump following through on a campaign promise really has no bearing on the fact that he said he would do it, didn’t do it, and if he was smart would have never promised anything in the first place.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Your attempt to predict how I would respond to Trump following through on a campaign promise really has no bearing on the fact that he said he would do it, didn’t do it, and if he was smart would have never promised anything in the first place.
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That is not what you started out with, he could, he can... .will he, is a different subject. I have no idea. Either way I suspect you would be crying about if he did, which means you arguing to argue, you don't want him to end it.
 
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MontyPython said:
I'll jump right in (again) on this one.

Establish a specific date in the future, say October 1, 2025. Tell Putin that on that day, Ukraine will be admitted to NATO. As such, any attack on Ukraine after that date would trip Article 5 and NATO would declare war on Russia.

Ain't complicated. No way on God's green Earth would Putin want war with NATO.

War would end and Ukraine now part of Europe.
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In that scenario, then I would hope the US on October 2 implements Article 13 to leave NATO.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The U.S. could put in sanctions (we apparently do that with all our friends) but neither China or India can be de-banked. Much of the oil is going to India and processed there and shipped to Europe and that becomes fungible as well at that point so yes, it really doesn't matter much.

The U.S. could go back to sanctioning Europe and the Ukraine. 😂
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Yeah, it's a mute point to sanction Russia
 
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LSU-SIU said:
That is not what we are discussing. We are discussing whether he can end it, he can. And you called him dumb for saying he can, and if he did, you would be upset. So, you are mad at him for saying he can end the war, and you would be upset if he ended it. 😂

"Do you know how you sound?"

Like a sane person.

There is no easy out for the Ukraine, the U.S. and Europe ****ed them. Trump can't solve that, he appears to be trying to save something for them but he never said the Ukraine will exist.
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Carpet baggers are the worse
 
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OHvol40 said:
NATO is conducting a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine. There is no way they give up their leveraged position against Putin. They are gonna bleed him dry. So, that circles back to the question, why in the heck would Trump promise to end the war before he even took office? I will reiterate, it’s because he was speaking hyperbolically to his gullible voter base.
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Dumb
 
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Delmar said:
Stop making outlandish promises like “significant sanctions if no ceasefire” and then backing down like he always does. That would be a start.
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That is Trump's style and to a degree it works in today's world, its just not going to work here because the U.S. is already all in. There is no real cards to play here, its bluffing when the other side knows you got squat. The only true cards to play is against the Ukraine and Europe.

I don’t know but Trump sure promised them.
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Generally, the U.S. is all in, the best you can do is piss off more "friends" which might actually produce the opposite intent. This is a loser and has been a loser since Fall of 2022, the best time to come to the table was about that time - the deal got worse every day since.
 
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just went to read about the new messenger Max that Russia is forcing installation of on all devices. Its supposed to be like ultimate spyware

Screenshot_20250821_165305_Chrome.jpgThought this was amusing


Everybody all around the damn world should be fighting this ******** and people here will point to this messenger as proof of Russia being a hellscape
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
One of the most important parts of an agreement needs to be the children going back home. The EU President said it in the meetings because it seemingly hadn't been mentioned
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I would think the most important part would be there being a home to go back too. I think people are getting way ahead of themselves and if someone is serious about an agreement at least address some of the concerns on the other side.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I would think the most important part would be there being a home to go back too. I think people are getting way ahead of themselves and if someone is serious about an agreement at least address some of the concerns on the other side.
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Yes, that's important too, but more importantly they need to be back with their families. It's a no brainer
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yes, that's important too, but more importantly they need to be back with their families. It's a no brainer
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Just my two cents, I would be trying to solve the problem at hand i.e. motivation of the other party. Since the other party is pretty clear about what they desire, I would be trying to work to see where the parties can both come to an agreement as to those concerns - if possible.

The Russians have slightly changed since the beginning as to land, as they are most likely not going to re-fight for what has already been secured. Other than that, I am having a hard time finding an easy solution, something I mentioned in 2022. Its going to require some advance thought.

The Neocons set this one up good. Let's be honest, the Ukrainians in charge and the Europeans don't want this to end - they can't afford for it to end. It will be interesting to see the final results.

This might have to be solved by the Ukrainian people but they have tough road whatever way this goes.

 
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LSU-SIU said:
That is not what you started out with, he could, he can... .will he, is a different subject. I have no idea. Either way I suspect you would be crying about if he did, which means you arguing to argue, you don't want him to end it.
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I love that you’re so concerned with what I think, and even better, what I might think about hypotheticals. I’m touched.
 
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