Israel vs Palestinians II

[NashVol11]

You are such a lying troll
I literally quoted you
“Blood thirsty weirdo’s “ was your favorite thing to say for weeks. When that didn’t resonate with anyone you moved on.

That’s what “” mean.
And your whataboutism doesn’t matter in relation to your awful behavior. Own your own ****.
Go cry for help some more.
“Waaa I don’t get respect “. That’s because you don’t deserve it.

And like I said, calls to kill everyone in Gaza are indeed bloodthirsty, so that is true. It is not even remotely like what Marcus says in every post, and it was a stupid whatabout attempt because you wanted to fight.

The quote in bold is one you entirely made up, so I would suggest learning

what “” mean

 

[NashVol11]

No im not going to ignore people like you anymore.
You don’t get to lie unchallenged, not anymore.
Don’t say problematic things and I won’t have anything to quote

This was not "problematic" and had no reason to make you defensive, it just doesn't matter anymore because you find some reason to be triggered by every single post I make, or defend every person who likes Israel and every thing Israel does

He just says stuff. Angry rants where 80% of it is fake or based on tabloids, where everyone on his side is a hero and everyone on the other side (especially Muslims) is destroying society, subhuman or goat f***ers.

 

[MAD]

Maybe this would solve all our problems?

 

[MAD]

Huff has been right the whole time.

 

[KB5252]

You’re right I’m not in the middle. I favor Israel’s side. Sorry my moral compass doesn’t change when someone’s wearing a Star of David

This is more or less where I am. I call a spade a spade, even i support the deck of cards the spade came from.

I get Orangeslice's stances though, is very personal for him. And sometimes personal means you miss some of the nuance, everything is black or white.

I've said many times Israel is not innocent in all this. But their enemy is as low down and dirty as it gets imo. I understand the reasons why, but purposely hiding behind the people you claim to represent is reprehensible.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You know that is not happening, right?

I don’t know anything of the sort. I know nothing is more powerful that the desire for freedom. Maybe they will rise up and take theirs one day.

 

[McDad]

I don’t know anything of the sort. I know nothing is more powerful that the desire for freedom. Maybe they will rise up and take theirs one day.

Nothing wrong with a little optimism.

But many things are more powerful than the desire for freedom.

 

[Orangeslice13]

This was not "problematic" and had no reason to make you defensive, it

the “he mad” defense is weak. I would say you’re better than that but I’m not sure you are.
You’re exactly the same as the person you called out. He knows who he is. You apparently don’t know who you are.

 

[NashVol11]

the “he mad” defense is weak. I would say you’re better than that but I’m not sure you are.
You’re exactly the same as the person you called out. He knows who he is. You apparently don’t know who you are.

Every single one of Marcus' posts is a long angry rant about how the left is everything wrong with the world, how Muslims f*** goats and how he can't wait until Israel completes its ethnic cleansing campaign and builds resorts there. His post history is a neverending stream of that same rant. Nothing I've posted is anything like that at all, you are just picking the world's dumbest fights and strawmanning

 

[KB5252]

Huff has been right the whole time.

Dudes an idiot, he claims Israeli propaganda while spewing absurd propaganda himself. Anything you see hamas recorded themselves doing is AI, nothing to see here........ Hate Israel!

 

[Orangeslice13]

Nothing wrong with a little optimism.

But many things are more powerful than the desire for freedom.

I guess that varies from person to person.
There’s only 2 ways the people of Gaza get peace. Israel takes over and the become like the other 2 million Arabs that live in peace as Israeli citizens. Or, they rise up and take it from Hamas.
There is a third option, they could continue to lay there and take it.
It’s not a great place to be if you’re in their shoes because the reality is nobody is coming to help them

 

[Orangeslice13]

Every single one of Marcus' posts is a long angry rant about how the left is everything wrong with the world, how Muslims f*** goats and how he can't wait until Israel completes its ethnic cleansing campaign and builds resorts there. His post history is a neverending stream of that same rant. Nothing I've posted is anything like that at all, you are just picking the world's dumbest fights

Right.
You’re just like him.

 

[NashVol11]

Right.
You’re just like him.

Yeah until I ask you for an example and there are f***ing zero, because you made it up. Rinse and repeat

 

[McDad]

I guess that varies from person to person.

no doubt about that.
I am looking at what people willingly exchange for freedom. In western countries, they give up freedom for a sense of security. I feel like the folks in gaza desire other things more than freedom as well.

 

[Orangeslice13]

no doubt about that.
I am looking at what people willingly exchange for freedom. In western countries, they give up freedom for a sense of security. I feel like the folks in gaza desire other things more than freedom as well.

That could very well be.
But you know the old saying…..I’m confident you know who said it first……those who give up freedom for safety will have neither

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yeah until I ask you for an example and there are f***ing zero, because you made it up. Rinse and repeat

I made up what you admitted to saying.
Ok troll
I thought you said goodbye to me.
Is anything you say true?

 

[McDad]

That could very well be.
But you know the old saying…..I’m confident you know who said it first……those who give up freedom for safety will have neither

Yessir. am familiar.

I think that quote actually supports my thought that freedom is not the most powerful desire. Were it so, that quote probably is never uttered.

 

[NashVol11]

I made up what you admitted to saying.
Ok troll
I thought you said goodbye to me.
Is anything you say true?

You made up me being like the below. Saying the word "bloodthirsty" (accurately) is not that and you know it. At no point in my life have I said anything about any religion that's comparable to what he says every day about Islam.

The rest of your post is just picking more fights and trolling in response to every single thing I post, which is my point

Every single one of Marcus' posts is a long angry rant about how the left is everything wrong with the world, how Muslims f*** goats and how he can't wait until Israel completes its ethnic cleansing campaign and builds resorts there. His post history is a neverending stream of that same rant.

 

[NCFisher]

1) Except acquiring land by force is out of bounds now. Remember the new rules we helped set forth after WWII. That's why it's called illegally occupied. Other than of course Palestine and Syria with the Golan Heights, whose land has Israel occupied?

2) It's still as valid a term as it ever has been. Intent remains key.
Where has hamas stated no Jews as a matter of policy? Their charter say Jews are free to stay but under hamas / Muslim governance.
Israel is genociding Gazans. It can't be said that they're genociding hamas since hamas is a political party.
Gaza isn't Israel; it's occupied territory. Any government attacking a foe with the disregard for noncombatant casualties and frequent targeting of noncombatants like Israel has done would also be condemned as Israel, Sudan, Myanmar, and Russia have.

They tried but only ran off 750,000 or so,, Muslims and Christians. What other country would take them and why? They're not Egyptians or Jordanians; they're Palestinians.

It wasn't a gift and it wasn't Israel's to gift.

It would have been a bit difficult to create a vibrant economy when they aren't even allowed fishing rights off their coast, their airport was destroyed, they aren't allowed control of imports and exports, etc. In short, they have no de facto sovereignty over the territory. Israel controls entrance and egress. It's been pretty much an open air prison for years.

After terming me ignorant and posting false history, I really expected more of a flourish from you.
I'll answer in a series of posts offering more than unsubstantiated drive-by comments, and that will provide historical background.

1) Here, I'll ask clarification to your comment in bold above; specifically what "new rules (after WWII)" do you refer to? This will put us on the same page, thanks.
2) And...yes, I agree. It was I who called attention to intent, explaining the definition of genocide does not refer the capability to destroy a group in whole or part. That was in response to @n_huffhines who continues to assert that because Hamas lacks the inherent capability themselves to destroy Israel, they cannot possibly be considered to commit genocidal acts. That argument ignores that the definition, flaunted repeatedly by him, is not premised on capability to do what one desires, but only the intent.

Hamas' goal is the same as every Islamist group preceding them or like them; a holy war of jihad in which Muslim nations unite to eradicate the Jewish state and erase the Jew. I'll detail this in the next post, examining only this point.

 

[EasternVol]

Barry Hussein Obama overthrew the Democratically elected government of Egypt so that his brother and his buddies in the M.B. could seize control. Egypt has regressed so much that there are open slave markets where humans are bought and sold like cattle. The MB was and IS a known terrorist organization. Just 1 of many countries Obama bombed without Congress's approval.

Where are those open slave markets?

 

[EasternVol]

It’s the hypocrisy of the **** humans that post in this thread that surprise me. (Obviously not you) we have actual footage of Hamas shooting from aid tents. They say nothing. They say they have condemned Hamas but there are no actual posts that say so. They then scour the net for any possible link that says Israel might have done something similar so they can say “see, Israel does it too”. Which is just more hypocrisy. Condemnation for the lesser Jewish offense but silence on the terrorist. The biggest POS actually believes that Israel should be more responsible for the people of Gaza than their leaders. The other POS spams propaganda from white nationalists websites and his links have been debunked at nearly 100%.
They throw around ethnic as an accusation against a country that has 2 million Arab citizens while ignoring the people who started this conflict who have zero Jews remaining in their area.
Literally…..you’re the only person that posts in this thread who is critical of Israel’s actions that isn’t just absolute trash

You sure do lie a lot. It sure looks like you're trying to be disingenuous with that 'there are no actual posts that say so' when you know very well that there were many in the thread that got wiped.

 

[EasternVol]

As a Protestant myself I can assure you that they were made, at least from the pulpits of the churches I attended. But to be fair to your contention; you would not hear them yourself unless you were actively involved in Protestant worship.

But trust me when I say that if there is one thing Protestants are known for; if is for constant and vociferous criticism of anyone who has even a slightly different theology. And the individuals you mention are no exception. Criticism of Osteen is especially prevalent at the present time and you can find many examples with a Google or AI search.

This particular characteristic of Protestants is why we are called Protestants. We split from the Catholic Church over criticism of belief and that is why there are now tens of thousands of Protestant denominations. We are not exactly known for being conciliatory (to our detriment unfortunately).

But just for fun, here is one of my favorite comedic tongue in cheek dig at Osteen from the Lutherans.

I'm already quote familiar with the history of Protestantism, thanks. Like I said, I didn't hear those condemnations from ministers or on the news, and I don't see church leaders condemning bad Protestant actors today. I did see Muslim leaders in SEA condemn JI and other terrorism strongly and often.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yessir. am familiar.

I think that quote actually supports my thought that freedom is not the most powerful desire. Were it so, that quote probably is never uttered.

That’s a fair assessment honestly
But I’m sticking with my belief that if the people of Gaza are going to be saved it’s up to them. Nobody is coming to help

 

[Orangeslice13]

You sure do lie a lot. It sure looks like you're trying to be disingenuous with that 'there are no actual posts that say so' when you know very well that there were many in the thread that got wiped.

 

[Orangeslice13]

After terming me ignorant and posting false history, I really expected more of a flourish from you.
I'll answer in a series of posts offering more than unsubstantiated drive-by comments, and that will provide historical background.

1) Here, I'll ask clarification to your comment in bold above; specifically what "new rules (after WWII)" do you refer to? This will put us on the same page, thanks.
2) And...yes, I agree. It was I who called attention to intent, explaining the definition of genocide does not refer the capability to destroy a group in whole or part. That was in response to @n_huffhines who continues to assert that because Hamas lacks the inherent capability themselves to destroy Israel, they cannot possibly be considered to commit genocidal acts. That argument ignores that the definition, flaunted repeatedly by him, is not premised on capability to do what one desires, but only the intent.

Hamas' goal is the same as every Islamist group preceding them or like them; a holy war of jihad in which Muslim nations unite to eradicate the Jewish state and erase the Jew. I'll detail this in the next post, examining only this point.

Nice