Israel vs Palestinians II

#376
#376
Smokey123 said:
The yes was in reference to Hamas. I’ve posted articles and tweets in the old thread with proof I can get them again if u need it

Anyone who answers no to your first question is severely misinformed.
www.theguardian.com

No plans to allow any aid into Gaza, says Israeli minister

Israel Katz says blocking aid is ‘one of the main pressure levers’ on Hamas while military announces it has turned 30% of Gaza into buffer zone
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The Israeli defence minister, Israel Katz, said: “Israel’s policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population.”

“No one is currently planning to allow any humanitarian aid into Gaza, and there are no preparations to enable such aid,” said Katz, who vowed to escalate the conflict with “tremendous force” if Hamas did not return the hostages.
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Context: That quote was in April 2025 and the Israeli blockade was for in effect for two months, lifting in May 2025. UNOPS says 90% of aid is being intercepted by "hungry Gazans" before reaching distribution.
 
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NCFisher said:
Context: That quote was in April 2025 and the Israeli blockade was for in effect for two months, lifting in May 2025. UNOPS says 90% of aid is being intercepted by "hungry Gazans" before reaching distribution.
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Which is why I said yes but not currently
 
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#378
Vol8188 said:
Yeah, crying over national level politics that are out of your control and burdening your spouse with such nonsense is 100% crazy. Regardless of what your therapist may have told you
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I don't think this is true at all. I cry often, though I choose to swallow it down and hide it from my loved ones to spare them...... But I'm killing myself every time I do. I'm also teaching my daughter to do the same.

But in my mind is better to be strong for them and let it out later usually only after multiple compounding issues merge in one outburst. It isn't healthy.

And in every case it's something beyond my control, and that's usually why it's so frustrating. I've lost countless animals on my farm over the years, a couple of tragic accidents, cancer, illness, congenital issues, genetic abnormalities and defects. But I try and save and offer the best lives I can. And it always hurts when you can't do enough, it no matter what you do it's not enough.

It's personal for him. I will fault no man for that, even if I disagree on some of his stances.
 
#379
#379
Jimmy V said to cry every day. People cried about Tennessee beating Alabama in football which, no offense, is way less important than "national level politics"
 
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#381
n_huffhines said:
Buddy, what? I get there are accidental casualties, and some you might intentionally abide to get a guy like Bin Ladin, but intentionally shooting children is not "war is war." War is war and war crimes are another thing.
It's not a genocide because "war is war?"
It is genocide because genocide has a legal definition and the criteria has been met.
Everyone who claims it's not genocide seems to think that Israel's goal has to be the complete annihilation of all Palestinians. And, conveniently, they're never going to believe that's Israel's intent unless Israel explicitly says it.
But the criteria isn't that stringent.
The legal definition of genocide is outlined in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948), adopted by the United Nations. According to Article II of the convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group:
  1. Killing members of the group; (big ol fkn check mark)
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (big ol fkn check mark)
  3. Deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (such as creating living conditions that lead to death); (big ol fkn check mark)
  4. Imposing measures to prevent births within the group; (allegations)
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (debatable)
These acts must be carried out with the specific intent to destroy the group, either in whole or in part. This intent is a key element in determining whether a crime qualifies as genocide under international law.

Arguably, they meet every condition and they definitely meet 3 of the most objective conditions. The subjective is the intent. In order to say this is not genocide, you have to believe that Israel's intent is not to destroy Gaza, it's just kinda happening even though they said their plan is to take Gaza and ethnically cleanse the region, which means erasing Palestinian Gaza life forever by killing 100k+ in the process, but not in a genocidal way.
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How To Make Genocide Meaningless, In One Easy Lesson!​

1944: The term was coined by Polish Jew Raphael Lemkin in reaction to the Jewish and Armenian exterminations, in each case an expression by a state to systemically eradicate a population. Whatever the later UN convention did to further ensconce it, that is the origin.
What's now missing is rather important.

The attempts to systemically eradicate the Jewish and Armenian populations within Germany (Middle East and wherever the Reich could find them) and the Ottoman Empire, is nothing like the defensive and security action by Israel. Did the German Jews and Armenians attack those governing bodies and force a defense and security action against them?

Where we do find commonality is governing bodies who did and do platform on the extinction of a "group", and makes the Nazi, Turk, and Hamas regimes kinfolk. Hamas gets a BOFCM on items 1, 2, 3, and 5. Erasing Jews, the raison d'être of Hamas, would certainly fulfill 4, too. Since we've turned the term into nothing more than a checklist of twitching biases, why not?

But using that indiscrete logic, we can certainly make the charge of genocide against Hamas. As Huff implies, there is no quantitative qualification for genocide; we simply have to have some group to some degree commit some acts resulting in death, to be 'genocide'.

The logical conclusion is that all conflicts are genocide and the term is meaningless. Or that genocide is subjective and again therefore, meaningless.

If it is to have meaning, its purpose must observe its origin; to declare criminal the unprovoked attacking and attempted eradication of a non-military population by a government. It is not to turn mutual military engagements into genocide discussions because there are civilian casualties.

To some, everyone but Jews may submit their attackers and stake their security future; they're always been forbidden when it comes to those who've sought their eradication.
 
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Smokey123 said:
So there’s no responsibility for Israel propping up Hamas in order to have opposition to the PA? There’s no responsibility for Bibi enabling them to stay? There’s no responsibility for ignoring the warning signs of Oct 7th from people both inside your government, IDF and neighboring country? They even had the blueprint for it. There’s no responsibility for a slow response time that resulted in many more deaths and hostages taken? Even bibi just recently said Oct 7th was preventable and should have never happened
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Absolutely Israel is responsible for allowing Hamas to exist. 100% Israel is responsible for not taking preemptive actions when the warning signs of 10/7 first appeared.

And if Israel had destroyed Hamas years ago or when they got warning signs 10/7 was about to happen you, Huff, Nash and Eastern would all be condemning Israel for taking action.
 
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hog88 said:
Absolutely Israel is responsible for allowing Hamas to exist. 100% Israel is responsible for not taking preemptive actions when the warning signs of 10/7 first appeared.

And if Israel had destroyed Hamas years ago or when they got warning signs 10/7 was about to happen you, Huff, Nash and Eastern would all be condemning Israel for taking action.
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If Israel had struck them though...regardless of how damning the intelligence was beforehand...the Jew haters in here and worldwide would have called it genocide just like they are now but even louder. Calling for muslim countries to intervene and protect those poor terrorists in gaza.

Slice is 100% right about this. Everyone needs to STFU and let Hamas and Israel handle this. Hamas started it, israel is gonna finish it. Israel has very generously offered a 2 state solution for half a century. No more. Hamas can leave or die. Israel will take Gaza...as they should have long ago...and that will be the end of it.

Keep having terorist attaccks from the West Bank afterwards and israel needs to do the exact SAME thing there. From the river to the sea...no more BS.
 
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hog88 said:
Absolutely Israel is responsible for allowing Hamas to exist. 100% Israel is responsible for not taking preemptive actions when the warning signs of 10/7 first appeared.

And if Israel had destroyed Hamas years ago or when they got warning signs 10/7 was about to happen you, Huff, Nash and Eastern would all be condemning Israel for taking action.
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Exactly it’s not just one side lol

Not at all it would have saved thousands of lives
 
#389
#389
hog88 said:
The one throwing the first punch is responsible for the fight and whatever happens during the fight.
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Lots of big talk about how smart people in this thread are, just for you to reveal that your worldview as a grown adult is "they started it" borrowed from a 7-year-old
 
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#390
Smokey123 said:
So there’s no responsibility for Israel propping up Hamas in order to have opposition to the PA? There’s no responsibility for Bibi enabling them to stay? There’s no responsibility for ignoring the warning signs of Oct 7th from people both inside your government, IDF and neighboring country? They even had the blueprint for it. There’s no responsibility for a slow response time that resulted in many more deaths and hostages taken? Even bibi just recently said Oct 7th was preventable and should have never happened
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This guy said the Middle East was the calmest it has been in decades just days before the Oct 7 attacked on Israel and their citizens.

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#394
NashVol11 said:
Lots of big talk about how smart people in this thread are, just for you to reveal that your worldview as a grown adult is "they started it" borrowed from a 7-year-old
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The basics of human behavior and responsibilities are simple enough to be on the level of a seven year old. Fairness, sharing, honesty, and friendship should be well understood by that age. Also the rules of the playground including the realization that the person starting a fight is responsible for, well…..starting the fight.

Don’t overcomplicate basic things that have been universally understood for all of human history
 
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#396
#396
hog88 said:
No. A couple of huge differences.
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I would ask you to elaborate here because I really am curious about what you see those being; but that would be off topic here. But please feel free to post in the worst President thread if you wish to discuss. That is a complicated time in U.S. history for sure
 
#397
#397
Journalist


World Central Kitchen Aid Workers



After five terrorists were caught in Gaza wearing NGO World Central Kitchen gear, and after they had already tried posing as journalists and UNRWA workers - we can’t help but wonder:

What will they dress up as next?
Our guess: a Disney princess.

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#399
#399
JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
Amazes me that some are too naive or too stupid to understand that.
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Jesus actually said that we needed to become like children if we wish to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Part of “growing up” is how we learn To rationalize and make excuses for our behavior. The basic concepts of right and wrong are learned very early.
 
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