Israel vs Palestinians

This came out yesterday.

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The biggest newspaper in Germany @BILD just exposed what other media outlets are trying to hide: The deliberate staging of Hamas propaganda by photographers in Gaza, that are later sold for tens of thousands of dollars to western media outlets to create a false narrative to demonise Israel and strengthen Hamas.

The article analyses the case of Anas Zayed Fteiha, a so-called “freelance journalist” who works for the Turkish state news agency Anadolu. On paper, he’s a reporter, but in reality, he’s an Islamic propagandist with a camera. That’s obvious from his social media posts, where he proudly poses in combat gear and shares slogans like “Free Palestine” or even “F*** Israel.” Neutrality? Not a chance.

The article shows that many of his photos deliver exactly what Hamas needs: suffering, rubble, crying children captured in perfect lighting. The kind of imagery that instantly sparks outrage against Israel in the West. But where are the photos that show the full picture? For example, the scenes where adult men collect food that’s actually being distributed? Those images vanish into obscurity. Instead, the “emotional shockers” end up in outlets like stern, CNN, BBC, Deutschlandfunk—and even in BILD itself.

And none of this is a coincidence. The Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) confirms what experts have been saying for a long time: 𝗻𝗼 𝗰𝗮𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗮 𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗚𝗮𝘇𝗮 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗛𝗮𝗺𝗮𝘀 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗹 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘁.

Historian Gerhard Paul puts it plainly: in southern Gaza, Hamas controls 100% of visual output. In other words, any photographer who doesn’t produce what the terrorists want is out of a job. That’s why the suffering is always portrayed one-sidedly, it’s designed to provoke sympathy in the West and stir anger at Israel.

Even historical parallels are drawn: back in 2002, Arafat staged himself in his “fortress” in Ramallah as a tragic hero by candlelight cameras on, spotlights off, pure emotion. Minutes later, he was back under bright lights. Same trick, different setting.

The disturbing part? Major news agencies and media outlets play along. They buy these images without questioning who’s behind them. Reuters defends itself by saying, “Our photos meet standards of accuracy and independence”, but it’s clear that in a place where Hamas monitors every pixel, true independence is impossible.

And now the key question: Why don’t we see revelations like this in other media? Why doesn’t ARD produce a report on how tightly Hamas controls imagery coming out of Gaza? Why doesn’t the BBC acknowledge that many of its sources are actually activists? The answer is simple: because this truth is uncomfortable. It would disrupt the cherished victim-aggressor narrative,where Israel is always the oppressor, and Palestinians are always the helpless victims.

The reality is this: Hamas is waging a double war: with rockets and with images. And in the second war, they’ve already won over half the world, because the media uncritically reproduces their perfectly staged visuals. Anyone who doesn’t see that is blindly walking into a propaganda trap.
I've highlighted the last two sections because the author comes so close to the correct answer. Like the assertions of an incredible healthcare system in Cuba, heaven on earth being built in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China, and on, it isn't blindness or being uncomfortable with truth. Rather, they don't care about the suffering; their belief system doesn't allow for that doubt and/or as in this case, they bear animosity and malevolence to a particular entity, here the Jew. They literally chose to take at face value the output of those regimes because it aligned with their faith system, their beliefs.

@n_huffhines did a version of this by comparing conflicts, some decades old, to the current Israel/Gaza conflict, in a lame attempt to paint it as genocide. No one called him out to note that this particular conflict is simply a continuation of the Arab/Israeli conflict waged for nearly a century now. Huff does the same thing these dishonest propagandists posing as journalists do; support the belief system and damn the injury to the truth. For them, history began there the moment Israel declared independence. Their history omits Islam's fabrication in 7th CE, that the M.East was largely a Christian region until Arab conquest swept up it and swathes of Europe, the 400 year rule of the region by the Ottomans prior to Jewish land purchases of founding Israeli land, the multiple attempts to destroy fledgling Israel even before its independence. They certainly don't talk about the multiple attempts by surrounding Muslim and Arab countries to eradicate them upon independence because that acknowledges why Israel holds strategic land today and would undercut the propagandists' belching about "occupation and apartheid".

They even demand the tiny country provide aid and comfort to their enemy and the population who elected them, as they fight them, as if there is vast historical practice of such lunacy. History is not littered with examples of providing sustenance to your warring enemy because wars are won by making your enemy unwilling to fight any longer.

To the degree famine exists - or does not - who is responsible? And did you correctly perceive the attempts by our own FBI, CIA, judiciary and executive branch to handicap an incoming president, usurp the office of that sitting president, and prevent his election in two subsequent election cycles?

For those just now catching on, it's your own fault you can't see the news under your feet and thus simply aren't to be objectively trusted on matters 1/2-way around the globe. You bought the propaganda before and asked for 2nd helpings; you have no intellectual leverage here.

 
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I've highlighted the last two sections because the author comes so close to the correct answer. Like the assertions of an incredible healthcare system in Cuba, heaven on earth being built in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China, and on, it isn't blindness or being uncomfortable with truth. Rather, they don't care about the suffering; their belief system doesn't allow for that doubt and/or as in this case, they bear animosity and malevolence to a particular entity, here the Jew. They literally chose to take at face value the output of those regimes because it aligned with their faith system, their beliefs.

@n_huffhines did a version of this by comparing conflicts, some decades old, to the current Israel/Gaza conflict, in a lame attempt to paint it as genocide. No one called him out to note that this particular conflict is simply a continuation of the Arab/Israeli conflict waged for nearly a century now. Huff does the same thing these dishonest propagandists posing as journalists do; support the belief system and damn the injury to the truth. For them, history began there the moment Israel declared independence. Their history omits Islam's fabrication in 7th BCE, that the M.East was largely a Christian region until Arab conquest swept up it and swathes of Europe, the 400 year rule of the region by the Ottomans prior to Jewish land purchases of founding Israeli land, the multiple attempts to destroy fledgling Israel even before its independence. They certainly don't talk about the multiple attempts by surrounding Muslim and Arab countries to eradicate them upon independence because that acknowledges why Israel holds strategic land today and would undercut the propagandists' belching about "occupation and apartheid".

They even demand the tiny country provide aid and comfort to their enemy and the population who elected them, as they fight them, as if there is vast historical practice of such lunacy. History is not littered with examples of providing sustenance to your warring enemy because wars are won by making your enemy unwilling to fight any longer.

To the degree famine exists - or does not - who is responsible? And did you correctly perceive the attempts by our own FBI, CIA, and executive branch to handicap an incoming president, usurp the office of that sitting president, and prevent his election in two subsequent election cycles?

For those just now catching on, it's your own fault you can't see the news under your feet and thus simply aren't to be objectively trusted on matters 1/2-way around the globe. You bought the propaganda before and asked for 2nd helpings; you have no intellectual leverage here.

The simplistic view from many is that only 1 side is fighting a war.
 
A reprehensible take.
Okay. I lob grenades into your yard for the fun of it. I don't care that your wife and kids, friends/family are maimed and killed; in fact I school my kids they are to kill you, too, when they are able. I just want no trace of you. And so does the rest of the neighborhood.

You literally have the power to prevent the maiming and killing of your delightful, loving family and friends. You can push a red button and make it happen.

Are you going to stop me, or do some sort of craven math explaining why your loved ones should die so you don't have to kill exponentially more people like me?
 
The open hate for Israel by Democrats and Leftists in this country is staggering. Never, ever thought I would see that here after the atrocities in WW2 and all of the American heroes who gave their lives to put the the Axis powers down. I am thankful there are no more WW2 veterans alive to see this disgrace..

Hopefully the Jews in America realize and keep receipts for those who show their hate. There arent enough Jewish people in this nation to make much of a difference in elections...about 7.5 million which is half of the 15 million Jews on Earth...but there are enough of them here to make their presence felt in some local and maybe state elections. Sadly most of them live in NYC where the Republicans will likely never win an election again so the Jews votes dont matter much in federal elections. Maybe they can relocate to safer places like here in the South where they will be welcomed with open arms.
The ironic thing is that so many libs protesting Israel and hating on the Jews also have the nerve to refer to themselves as “anti fascist” when they are picking up right were the actual fascists were forced to stop in 1945.
 
This came out yesterday.

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The biggest newspaper in Germany @BILD just exposed what other media outlets are trying to hide: The deliberate staging of Hamas propaganda by photographers in Gaza, that are later sold for tens of thousands of dollars to western media outlets to create a false narrative to demonise Israel and strengthen Hamas.

The article analyses the case of Anas Zayed Fteiha, a so-called “freelance journalist” who works for the Turkish state news agency Anadolu. On paper, he’s a reporter, but in reality, he’s an Islamic propagandist with a camera. That’s obvious from his social media posts, where he proudly poses in combat gear and shares slogans like “Free Palestine” or even “F*** Israel.” Neutrality? Not a chance.

The article shows that many of his photos deliver exactly what Hamas needs: suffering, rubble, crying children captured in perfect lighting. The kind of imagery that instantly sparks outrage against Israel in the West. But where are the photos that show the full picture? For example, the scenes where adult men collect food that’s actually being distributed? Those images vanish into obscurity. Instead, the “emotional shockers” end up in outlets like stern, CNN, BBC, Deutschlandfunk—and even in BILD itself.

And none of this is a coincidence. The Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) confirms what experts have been saying for a long time: 𝗻𝗼 𝗰𝗮𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗮 𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗚𝗮𝘇𝗮 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗛𝗮𝗺𝗮𝘀 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗹 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘁.

Historian Gerhard Paul puts it plainly: in southern Gaza, Hamas controls 100% of visual output. In other words, any photographer who doesn’t produce what the terrorists want is out of a job. That’s why the suffering is always portrayed one-sidedly, it’s designed to provoke sympathy in the West and stir anger at Israel.

Even historical parallels are drawn: back in 2002, Arafat staged himself in his “fortress” in Ramallah as a tragic hero by candlelight cameras on, spotlights off, pure emotion. Minutes later, he was back under bright lights. Same trick, different setting.

The disturbing part? Major news agencies and media outlets play along. They buy these images without questioning who’s behind them. Reuters defends itself by saying, “Our photos meet standards of accuracy and independence”, but it’s clear that in a place where Hamas monitors every pixel, true independence is impossible.

And now the key question: Why don’t we see revelations like this in other media? Why doesn’t ARD produce a report on how tightly Hamas controls imagery coming out of Gaza? Why doesn’t the BBC acknowledge that many of its sources are actually activists? The answer is simple: because this truth is uncomfortable. It would disrupt the cherished victim-aggressor narrative,where Israel is always the oppressor, and Palestinians are always the helpless victims.

The reality is this: Hamas is waging a double war: with rockets and with images. And in the second war, they’ve already won over half the world, because the media uncritically reproduces their perfectly staged visuals. Anyone who doesn’t see that is blindly walking into a propaganda trap.
🎶🎶Hoo-ray for Pallywood🎶🎶
 
There are some good, well thought out points there.
The definition of genocide in international law isn't the same as in the vernacular, and it looks to have been met in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing, which constitutes various war crimes, sure seems to be in progress. Making the place unlivable has been going on for a while.
This is the definition I am using:

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

I use that definition because it is not corrupted or cajoled for political purposes. According to the international law definition every conflict ever known to man meets some or all of the criteria of their definition of genocide.

Israel is not attempting to destroy the Palestinian people. Israel is attempting to destroy Hamas, who they hold responsible. Hamas hides behind the Palestinian people. Hamas actually wants as much death and carnage inflicted on Palestinians because that advances their cause.

If Israel wanted to destroy Hamas with no regard to civilians both would no longer exist for all intents and purposes.

They have prosecuted this urban guerilla war with the mindset that they would accept a ratio of x number of civilian casualties for every Hamas target. That sounds cold and calculated, and in reality it is, but that is how wars are fought. We use similar doctrine.

Israel is not blameless. They have very unique challenges domestically. And they have failed the Palestinian people, no doubts about that.
 
Okay. I lob grenades into your yard for the fun of it. I don't care that your wife and kids, friends/family are maimed and killed; in fact I school my kids they are to kill you, too, when they are able. I just want no trace of you. And so does the rest of the neighborhood.

You literally have the power to prevent the maiming and killing of your delightful, loving family and friends. You can push a red button and make it happen.

Are you going to stop me, or do some sort of craven math explaining why your loved ones should die so you don't have to kill exponentially more people like me?
Using hypotheticals to validate arguments is dumb. You wouldn’t blow up the entire neighborhood and if you tried you’d be arrested
 
I would say your entire premise is based on a non-sequitur conclusion from her statement...but forget that....by what standard do they "suck" at it? Name the 21st-century genocides worse than this one?
They have the means to wipe Palestinians out completely. If their goal was to indiscriminately kill Palestinians they would no longer exist in Gaza for all intents and purposes.

There are at least 3 or 4 conflicts from Africa in the last 20 years alone that have resulted in hundreds of thousands dead in each conflict. People spread over thousands of square miles. That kind of killing takes serious effort and dedication, they were sought out for extermination. Most of those barely got a blurb on international media outside of Africa because they aren't the chosen affinity group for college professors, students and media.

Women targeted for sexual violence, Men women and children executed, tortured. All because of their tribal or religious affiliation.

You asked, those were examples of genocide. And while tragic, the sheer number of people killed compared to the population crammed together like sardines......... 60k killed (per NPR days ago) in an urban guerilla conflict doesn't scream genocide to me.

It may come off cold and I'm in no way diminishing Palestinian suffering, but they aren't being targeted for wholesale extermination. And if what is happening in Gaza is genocide then the term genocide applies to every documented conflict fought in history.
 
They have the means to wipe Palestinians out completely. If their goal was to indiscriminately kill Palestinians they would no longer exist in Gaza for all intents and purposes.

There are at least 3 or 4 conflicts from Africa in the last 20 years alone that have resulted in hundreds of thousands dead in each conflict. People spread over thousands of square miles. That kind of killing takes serious effort and dedication, they were sought out for extermination. Most of those barely got a blurb on international media outside of Africa because they aren't the chosen affinity group for college professors, students and media.

Women targeted for sexual violence, Men women and children executed, tortured. All because of their tribal or religious affiliation.

You asked, those were examples of genocide. And while tragic, the sheer number of people killed compared to the population crammed together like sardines......... 60k killed (per NPR days ago) in an urban guerilla conflict doesn't scream genocide to me.

It may come off cold and I'm in no way diminishing Palestinian suffering, but they aren't being targeted for wholesale extermination. And if what is happening in Gaza is genocide then the term genocide applies to every documented conflict fought in history.
Those killings don't matter. It only matters when Israelis do it. The Bible is quite amazing how it predicted that the world will always hate Israel
 
Those killings don't matter. It only matters when Israelis do it. The Bible is quite amazing how it predicted that the world will always hate Israel
And it made that prediction thousands of years ago. And one of the most persuasive reasons that I believe in God is that, despite all of this hatred and the concerted efforts of some of history‘s most powerful nation to eliminate them, the small handful of Jews continue to abide.
There is some very powerful Force that is protecting them. And everyone today who continues to curse Israel should give that theory very careful thought. Consider Who it is that you are actually doing battle with.
 
@OrangeTsar is one of the smartest guys on Volnation and is so incredibly knowledgeable in history and I appreciate when he shares. You on the other hand only know how to criticize and call him names. Your shtick of only trying to ask gotcha questions and when failing call him names without ever offering any substance. If someone asks you, you either say look it up yourself or you don’t respond. It’s okay to have different views but what you do is so tiring and monotonous.
Ah shucks ☺️
Thanks for the compliment; but I am not so sure about “smart”. It’s just that I have probably spent way too much of my life reading and any credit for that goes to my parents. My mom for taking me to the library from my earliest memories and my dad who told me history stories as we sat outside under the shade tree working on small engine repair
 
The open hate for Israel by Democrats and Leftists in this country is staggering. Never, ever thought I would see that here after the atrocities in WW2 and all of the American heroes who gave their lives to put the the Axis powers down. I am thankful there are no more WW2 veterans alive to see this disgrace..

Hopefully the Jews in America realize and keep receipts for those who show their hate. There arent enough Jewish people in this nation to make much of a difference in elections...about 7.5 million which is half of the 15 million Jews on Earth...but there are enough of them here to make their presence felt in some local and maybe state elections. Sadly most of them live in NYC where the Republicans will likely never win an election again so the Jews votes dont matter much in federal elections. Maybe they can relocate to safer places like here in the South where they will be welcomed with open arms.
There are many exit polls that demonstrate high percentages of Jewish voters supporting Kamala Harris – this CNN/Edison exit poll indicates that 78 percent of Jewish voters supported Kamala Harris, while 22 percent supported Donald Trump. According to this poll, 88 percent of Jewish women and 71 percent of Jewish men supported Kamala Harris over Trump.
The Jewish Vote Came Through for Democrats

Think about it, the Arab attack occurred Oct 2023. Jewish voters had more than a year as real-time witness to the anti-Jewish explosion on the left on our streets, campuses, and legislatures. Not to mention the animosity displayed by the Biden admin to Israel, and indifference to domestic anti-Jew intimidation and violence. They literally watched Jews not attend classes or be escorted and attend functions in groups, they've watched BDS mushroom, and they still vote Democrat nearly 80%. When they had a clearly more friendly voice for Jews everywhere, in Donald Trump.
 
Using hypotheticals to validate arguments is dumb. You wouldn’t blow up the entire neighborhood and if you tried you’d be arrested
Analogies are a form of philosophy. A mental exercise, a sanity check.
'Dumb' is having a guttural - literal - reaction, rather than doing the mental exercise.
 
Analogies are a form of philosophy. A mental exercise, a sanity check.
'Dumb' is having a guttural - literal - reaction, rather than doing the mental exercise.
Except this isn’t philosophy, nor is it done in good faith. It’s trying to corner someone into a specific answer to agree with you or show a “contradiction”. If your daughters are kidnapped at a UT game you’re not blowing up 95% of the campus, using this kind of reasoning and analogies is dumb
 
Ah shucks ☺️
Thanks for the compliment; but I am not so sure about “smart”. It’s just that I have probably spent way too much of my life reading and any credit for that goes to my parents. My mom for taking me to the library from my earliest memories and my dad who told me history stories as we sat outside under the shade tree working on small engine repair
Knowing a full library of human history as well as how to fix a Briggs & Stratton gives you at least one thing your friends and neighbors will ask you about.
 
And it made that prediction thousands of years ago. And one of the most persuasive reasons that I believe in God is that, despite all of this hatred and the concerted efforts of some of history‘s most powerful nation to eliminate them, the small handful of Jews continue to abide.
There is some very powerful Force that is protecting them. And everyone today who continues to curse Israel should give that theory very careful thought. Consider Who it is that you are actually doing battle with.
I was listening to a person talk about that. He said that Jews are the living proof that God is real
 
Except this isn’t philosophy, nor is it done in good faith. It’s trying to corner someone into a specific answer to agree with you or show a “contradiction”. If your daughters are kidnapped at a UT game you’re not blowing up 95% of the campus, using this kind of reasoning and analogies is dumb
It's cornering their logic, in this case, apparently yours. No one has shown up to arrest anyone in that time on behalf of the Jews safety and security, have they?

If my daughters were kidnapped at a UT game, the administration and student body wouldn't be in on it, nor the state itself and surrounding states, as is the case with the modern history of Israel. Anyone who slaughters and captures them place their lives in the hands of the Israelis, whose only obligation is to secure their state and citizens. When that is done, we can discuss 'good faith'.

As was done domesticating the Japanese and Germans concluding WWII. If held to the same ridiculous standards demanded of Israel, we'd still be fighting that war and supplying their war effort.
 
It's cornering their logic, in this case, apparently yours. No one has shown up to arrest anyone in that time on behalf of the Jews safety and security, have they?

If my daughters were kidnapped at a UT game, the administration and student body wouldn't be in on it, nor the state itself and surrounding states, as is the case with the modern history of Israel. Anyone who slaughters and captures them place their lives in the hands of the Israelis, whose only obligation is to secure their state and citizens. When that is done, we can discuss 'good faith'.

As was done domesticating the Japanese and Germans concluding WWII. If held to the same ridiculous standards demanded of Israel, we'd still be fighting that war and supplying their war effort.
Actually the entire Greek life is in on it and the student body hasn’t done anything to help even tho they saw it. Nobody has been arrested and the administration doesn’t seem to care. Are you blowing up all of UT or not?

Just like your entire neighborhood is somehow wanting you dead while they throw grenades at you. See how stupid and bad faith this is?
 
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It's cornering their logic, in this case, apparently yours. No one has shown up to arrest anyone in that time on behalf of the Jews safety and security, have they?

If my daughters were kidnapped at a UT game, the administration and student body wouldn't be in on it, nor the state itself and surrounding states, as is the case with the modern history of Israel. Anyone who slaughters and captures them place their lives in the hands of the Israelis, whose only obligation is to secure their state and citizens. When that is done, we can discuss 'good faith'.

As was done domesticating the Japanese and Germans concluding WWII. If held to the same ridiculous standards demanded of Israel, we'd still be fighting that war and supplying their war effort.
Note too that after we forced Germany and Japan into UNCONDITIONAL Surrender; we became their best friends and irreplaceable benefactor. We helped them develop meaningful constitutions and to set up true democratic governments. Then we gave them unbelievable amounts of aid and money that soon enabled them to boast of economies that were the envy of the world.
If someone claims to REALLY care about the Palestinian people; the best thing they could hope for is a similar outcome here. Quick and total defeat of Hamas so that Western governments can reset their circumstances and lead them into the 21st century.
 

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