Israel vs Palestinians

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#34,451
NashVol11 said:
And I told you that I think it's trash to try to make excuses for blocking aid. That's not bad faith at all. If you need to be treated with kid gloves and constant agreement to not be a bad faith ******* then at least don't blame me for it
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Not everyone sees the world the way you do.
Your way isn’t the default moral high ground or standard.
Responding by calling people names instead of arguing you point of view is the very definition of bad faith.

It is possible that you don’t know how to understand a different opinion from your own.
 
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#34,452
NashVol11 said:
I was clear already: there's no excuse for it. The hypothetical "reasons for blocking aid" mean nothing to me, they aren't good reasons to me. It is garbage behavior and it's not uncivil to say so
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You were given legitimate reason based in facts.
So you continue to supply your enemies with aid knowing it’s not going to the civilians or the hostages?
 
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#34,453
NashVol11 said:
"No mercy for anyone until" and "You want to eat? [Do this]" are bloodthirsty statements in almost any war/conflict context. That's not some horrible or unfair insult, not everyone is like that and it's not "cowardly" to oppose blocking aid
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Hey, look who is getting mad after trying to play the victim yesterday.
You also ignored the next post that provided context to my statement
Also bad faith.

Try to answer the questions if you can

, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people, or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?

Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life? So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death, what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
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Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
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Jean-Paul Sartre
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Not everyone sees the world the way you do.
Your way isn’t the default moral high ground or standard.
Responding by calling people names instead of arguing you point of view is the very definition of bad faith.

It is possible that you don’t know how to understand a different opinion from your own.
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Saying it's bloodthirsty isn't calling someone a name, and you've called me all kinds of things. People who respond to tragedy by craving retribution, violence and starvation aren't people that I particularly want to associate with
 
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#34,457
NashVol11 said:
Saying it's bloodthirsty isn't calling someone a name, and you've called me all kinds of things. People who respond to tragedy by craving retribution, violence and starvation aren't people that I particularly want to associate with
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Try to answer the questions if you can

, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people, or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?

Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life? So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death, what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
 
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#34,458
Orangeslice13 said:
You were given legitimate reason based in facts.
So you continue to supply your enemies with aid knowing it’s not going to the civilians or the hostages?
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They are not legitimate reasons. In your own words, not everyone sees the world the way you do. If the aid isn't going where you want it to go then the answer is not to block the aid
 
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#34,459
NashVol11 said:
They are not legitimate reasons. In your own words, not everyone sees the world the way you do. If the aid isn't going where you want it to go then the answer is not to block the aid
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Try to answer the questions if you can

, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people, or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?

Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life? So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death, what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
If the aid is constantly being stolen by Hamas how do you correct that problem so that you’re not propping up your enemy?
 
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#34,460
Orangeslice13 said:
Hey, look who is getting mad after trying to play the victim yesterday.
You also ignored the next post that provided context to my statement
Also bad faith.

Try to answer the questions if you can

, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people, or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?

Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life? So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death, what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
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The post you quoted did not contain any anger. To the extent the aid hasn't been making it to the people, there are a lot of better solutions than trying to block it altogether. The aid isn't just for "the hostages" and IMO that is also a terrible justification for blocking it altogether
 
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#34,461
Orangeslice13 said:
Try to answer the questions if you can

, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people, or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?

Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life? So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death, what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
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I was responding to your posts in order, like I said I haven't been playing stupid games like you and I am quite literally at the end of my line for tolerating them
 
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#34,462
NashVol11 said:
The post you quoted did not contain any anger. To the extent the aid hasn't been making it to the people, there are a lot of better solutions than trying to block it altogether. The aid isn't just for "the hostages" and IMO that is also a terrible justification for blocking it altogether
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Try to answer the questions if you can

, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people, or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?

Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life? So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death, what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
If the aid is constantly being stolen by Hamas how do you correct that problem so that you’re not propping up your enemy?
 
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#34,464
Like I said, if you can't have a conversation with me respectfully, then stop the fake-nice bulls*** and leave me alone
 
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#34,466
NashVol11 said:
I answered them directly. You want me to assume everything that paints people blocking aid in a favorable light and no, it still won't justify their behavior to me
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Remaining unanswered

, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people, or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?

Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life? So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death, what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
If the aid is constantly being stolen by Hamas how do you correct that problem so that you’re not propping up your enemy?
 
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#34,468
Orangeslice13 said:
, do you believe that the aid has been making it to the people,
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Some of it, yes
Orangeslice13 said:
or are you blocking it to keep it from feeding Hamas?
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I don't care what the justification for blocking aid is, it would not change anything
Orangeslice13 said:
Even the UN is calling out Hamas for killing their own people trying to get aid?
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Leading ass question but see above
Orangeslice13 said:
Do you really think any of the Hostages are still alive?
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Yes, but does not change this discussion either way
Orangeslice13 said:
Why won’t Hamas give proof of life?
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Don't know and does not change this discussion either way
Orangeslice13 said:
So if all the Hostages are likely dead and the ones recently recovered were starved to death,
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Leading ass question again
Orangeslice13 said:
what makes you think there is any hope at all of the aid making it too the hostages?
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I am not blocking aid regardless of where it is going
 
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Let me answer for you

Nash speaking (if he wasn’t operating in bad faith)

“I don’t believe that much of the aid is being stolen by Hamas. Even if it is I believe the risk is worth taking. I’m not sure how I would secure the aid better but I’d still take the risk “


Apparently that’s way to hard to do when you’re playing the victim


Edit. Hold on.
He may have already answered while I was typing.
Let’s go look.
 
#34,470
#34,470
NashVol11 said:
Some of it, yes

I don't care what the justification for blocking aid is, it would not change anything

Leading ass question but see above

Yes, but does not change this discussion either way

Don't know and does not change this discussion either way

Leading ass question again

I am not blocking aid regardless of where it is going
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Hey. Look at you.
Good job. I like it.
Edit: I do think it’s funny that I basically guessed your answer.

Ok. An argument can be made that the aid being stolen only serves to strengthen Hamas, and will prolong the war. The longer this war goes the more people die.
However there are 2 different people in play. The individuals operating in protest and the Israeli government. Their motives can be very different so it’s important to discuss which one is being discussed. I’ll take the fault on that one as I have argued both without making it clear which one I was referring to.

As far as it not changing things either way, I completely disagree. The knowledge one way or another on those points are essential in making a decision on how to proceed (by the military)
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Unfortunately for you, anyone in the world that matters says there is no genocide.
We agree that they are all victims of Hamas. By the actions you just spelled out.
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It sounds like you're saying that what matters is whose side the judge is on, and that fits your persona here. What really matters is who's responsible for what war crimes. I don't think everyone who matters has had their say yet.
Some are victims of hamas. Many more are victims of Israel.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Not everyone sees the world the way you do.
Your way isn’t the default moral high ground or standard.
Responding by calling people names instead of arguing you point of view is the very definition of bad faith.

It is possible that you don’t know how to understand a different opinion from your own.
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Being self aware has advantages you know. Given your frequent history of calling names when you have no logical retort, the bolded above should be stunning in its hypocrisy. But it's you though so it's pretty much expected that you'd try to project and ascribe your own flaw to the other party.
 
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EasternVol said:
Being self aware has advantages you know. Given your frequent history of calling names when you have no logical retort, the bolded above should be stunning in its hypocrisy. But it's you though so it's pretty much expected that you'd try to project and ascribe your own flaw to the other party.
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You’re apparently too stupid for this conversation. You can’t read and comprehend anything. Or maybe you just want to argue. if you could read and comprehend you’d understand that I’ve clearly stated over and over that I’m a fan of both styles. I can do both. You’ve had plenty of opportunities to be in the serious category but clearly want to be a dipshit so that’s how you’ will always be treated by me. I no longer care to have any serious conversation with you in any way @NashVol11 did something you will never do. He gave an honest answer based on his beliefs. I’ve treated him differently because I’ve seen him do that before. You on the other hand are straight trash with no serious conversational value.
It’s possible, I guess that you could change but I doubt it and I’m done with even giving you a chance.
Hope that clears it up for you but I doubt it as you’re either too stubborn or just plain stupid.
 
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