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LouderVol said:
I have always thought that was dumb. what happens when you have an atheist come up? they are just swearing on some book, and would not hold it to any special consideration. if anything they may hold their oath even lighter because it is something they actively don't believe in.
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They can use anything they want. A UT-Bama game program would suffice.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I didn’t call it southwest Asia. I was referring to SouthEast Asia, which is what I said.

Skipped the Iran part? Wut?

You -

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It seems our self proclaimed geopolitical expert is having some difficulty differentiating cardinal directions. I just don't know what they're teaching the kids in Foggy Bottom these days.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those are governments usually run by monarchs in bed with American money interests. I was referring to the rank and file Muslims of those countries not their corrupt political leadership. In terms of the political leadership you are right that they're almost all on the side of America and Israel. But that's more a sign of their corruption than that being the will of the people of Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
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Are they corrupt or are they looking out for the best interests of their people? To be fair I think the answer to that question varies depending on the country in question. But sometimes what the people want isn't what they need.
 
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volfanhill said:
So you are incapable of calling unacceptable behavior out? lol. What an A-hole you are
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If it's part of a propaganda campaign to start a war? Absolutely. Unlike you I know the implications of choosing to demonize Iran in a political climate like ours. It's not being done for the benefit of the Iranian people but rather for the benefit of the Zionist regime in Israel and the multinational corporations that would benefit from us going to war.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Funny how the Ayatollah had no problem supporting the West post 9/11 when Iran allowed us to use their air-space and stage from their land when we went into Afghanistan. I guess it was the will of the Iranian people then?

His entire theme is completely retarded and doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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So doesn't this go against the whole Iranian leadership is crazy and can't be trusted with a nuke so we have to preemptively attack? If they were willing to work with us in Afghanistan doesn't that prove they are a rational actor who will act in their best interests (like every other country). Thus making the likelihood they would use a nuke in a preemptive strike unlikely. Doesn't this all but destroy the logic for why we can't have Iran getting nukes if all they would do is act like every other rational actor and use them as a deterrent against other nations attacking them rather than using them to start nuclear war?
 
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KB5252 said:
Are they corrupt or are they looking out for the best interests of their people? To be fair I think the answer to that question varies depending on the country in question. But sometimes what the people want isn't what they need.
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You're absolutely right. Monarchs have such a long history of looking out for their people rather than themselves and their interests. How silly of me. A corrupt monarchy? Surely such a thing has never existed before.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You're absolutely right. Monarchs have such a long history of looking out for their people rather than themselves and their interests. How silly of me. A corrupt monarchy? Surely such a thing has never existed before.
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That's not even really close to what I was saying.........

The people of Iran are a perfect example of my point though aren't they?
 
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KB5252 said:
That's not even really close to what I was saying.........

The people of Iran are a perfect example of my point though aren't they?
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The people of Iran chose Islamic Theocracy. Nobody chooses a monarchy. That's the difference. I can't believe as an American you are defending monarchies. Especially on the 4th. Surely a nation of Muslims starting a revolution and choosing to be governed by their religion is closer to what we're celebrating today than a monarchy?

And FTR Saudi Arabia despite being a monarchy isn't exactly known for being less religious than theocratic Iran. So I find it funny you're holding them up as opposition to Iran. In terms of Islamic fundamentalism both countries are similar. Saudi Arabia just isn't demonized like Iran by our media because they play ball with us unlike Iran. Which goes to show the issue here isn't Islam or the oppression of a people but instead who follows our orders (which coincidentally turn out be exactly what Israel wants) and who doesn't.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The people of Iran chose Islamic Theocracy. Nobody chooses a monarchy. That's the difference. I can't believe as an American you are defending monarchies. Especially on the 4th. Surely a nation of Muslims starting a revolution and choosing to be governed by their religion is closer to what we're celebrating today than a monarchy?

And FTR Saudi Arabia despite being a monarchy isn't exactly known for being less religious than theocratic Iran. So I find it funny you're holding them up as opposition to Iran. In terms of Islamic fundamentalism both countries are similar. Saudi Arabia just isn't demonized like Iran by our media because they play ball with us unlike Iran. Which goes to show the issue here isn't Islam or the oppression of a people but instead who follows our orders (which coincidentally turn out be exactly what Israel wants) and who doesn't.
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You're missing the point entirely.

What I said is what people want often isn't what they need....... Iran is a great example

You're making assumptions and arguing with yourself. Reread my statement again.
 
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KB5252 said:
You're missing the point entirely.

What I said is what people want often isn't what they need....... Iran is a great example

You're making assumptions and arguing with yourself. Reread my statement again.
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Once again because monarchies know what people need. Guess you would have been one of those voices in 1776 saying we should stay a colony of Great Britain because the King knows what we need rather than what we want.

This is a clown world position. Monarchies are in the business for themselves not in the business of what's good for the majority. That's the reason why most of the civilized world got rid of them centuries ago. If monarchies were so good at knowing what the people need then why are they extinct in all but ceremonies positions in almost every first world country?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If it's part of a propaganda campaign to start a war? Absolutely. Unlike you I know the implications of choosing to demonize Iran in a political climate like ours. It's not being done for the benefit of the Iranian people but rather for the benefit of the Zionist regime in Israel and the multinational corporations that would benefit from us going to war.
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But this is all expected when you have Muslim leaders according to you so it’s ok

 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Once again because monarchies know what people need. Guess you would have been one of those voices in 1776 saying we should stay a colony of Great Britain because the King knows what we need rather than what we want.

This is a clown world position. Monarchies are in the business for themselves not in the business of what's good for the majority. That's the reason why most of the civilized world got rid of them centuries ago. If monarchies were so good at knowing what the people need then why are they extinct in all but ceremonies positions in almost every first world country?
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You are operating under the assumption that I'm holding Saudi Arabia up. Reread my statement again. You love making up arguments and then parsing your made up details.
 
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Smokey123 said:
But this is all expected when you have Muslim leaders according to you so it’s ok

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No. That's not ok. Just because I don't think we should be going to war with Iran doesn't mean I sanction everything their government does. Let's practice common sense. There have been bad countries since the start of our union. Has it been our job to fix all those countries? The evils of the Iranian regime are not our problem. Let the people of Iran and other Islamic countries solve it. And if those people don't want to help their own then it's shouldn't be our concern.
 
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KB5252 said:
You are operating under the assumption that I'm holding Saudi Arabia up. Reread my statement again. You love making up arguments and then parsing your made up details.
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You're the one that claimed the monarchies of Jordan and Saudi Arabia knew better than their own people on what they need. Stop running away from your position after realizing how stupid it was.
 
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Smokey123 said:
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Let's not act like American media wasn't reporting that Mossad agents were running wild in Iran during the bombings providing valuable intelligence on targets. You don't think Iranian officials weren't paying attention and that retaliation was coming?

You can't brag about how good your intelligence agency is in turning spies then get mad when the country you were spying on goes and starts killing suspected spies.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. That's not ok. Just because I don't think we should be going to war with Iran doesn't mean I sanction everything their government does. Let's practice common sense. There have been bad countries since the start of our union. Has it been our job to fix all those countries? The evils of the Iranian regime are not our problem. Let the people of Iran and other Islamic countries solve it. And if those people don't want to help their own then it's shouldn't be our concern.
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You said they’re following Islamic law. You said the Islamic republic is the same as the Iranian people. You said the Islamic republic Is a great story. You said any country with Muslim leadership would be like this. Just stfu
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Let's not act like American media wasn't reporting that Mossad agents were running wild in Iran during the bombings providing valuable intelligence on targets. You don't think Iranian officials weren't paying attention and that retaliation was coming?

You can't brag about how good your intelligence agency is in turning spies then get mad when the country you were spying on goes and starts killing suspected spies.
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He was arrested and tortured in 2023 for “insulting Islamic sanctities”. He’s one of 7 to be executed the last week, 700 others arrested which at least 300 of were for simple social media posts against the IR. Continue to defend a regime that murders citizens that speak out and claim that’s normal thing for Muslim leadership. gfy
 
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Smokey123 said:
You said they’re following Islamic law. You said the Islamic republic is the same as the Iranian people. You said the Islamic republic Is a great story. You said any country with Muslim leadership would be like this. Just stfu
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And how does that refute anything I said? Islamic law can be barbaric. Just because they are following their religion doesn't mean rational humans should say it's good. Nonetheless it's still not our problem if they want to practice a 7th century set of morals. Let the Iranian people revolt once again if they think their religion isn't all its cracked up to be. If not then it's obvious they endorse this barbarism so why should we care?

My point still stands. No matter what Iran does it's not our problem. Stop trying to hide regime change for the sake of geopolitics with caring about the suffering of another people. If other Muslims don't see a problem with this behavior, why should we? It's not our business to rescue every nation from it's failures.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And how does that refute anything I said? Islamic law can be barbaric. Just because they are following their religion doesn't mean rational humans should say it's good. Nonetheless it's still not our problem if they want to practice a 7th century set of morals. Let the Iranian people revolt once again if they think their religion isn't all its cracked up to be. If not then it's obvious they endorse this barbarism so why should we care?

My point still stands. No matter what Iran does it's not our problem. Stop trying to hide regime change for the sake of geopolitics with caring about the suffering of another people. If other Muslims don't see a problem with this behavior, why should we? It's not our business to rescue every nation from it's failures.
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Lmaoooooo. I don’t think the US should be involved in any regime change nor did I support military action. There’s plenty of people in this thread that didn’t support military action and they did so without supporting the Islamic republic.

But continue to defend a horrible oppressive regime while also making insanely ignorant comments
 
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