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[Orange_Crush]

Correct, I am not interested in conversations with people who can't go any length of time without cramming as many bad faith strawmen as they can into one post. You were fake surprised when I said that a couple days ago and appear to be doing the same fake surprise routine again multiple times today

I ask again SPECIFICALLY how am I misrepresenting your post?

I don't know or care but I think it is pretty weird for others to suggest his politics are defined by some video from 5 years ago rather than his actual platform that he campaigned on and people voted for

I am legitimately surprised by that statement. I've asked repeatedly for clarification and all you can do is claim that others are acting in "bad faith" while refusing to clarify exactly how they/we are.

Now, I'm not saying that his past statements should completely define his politics, but it's asinine to expect people to just ignore them and not weigh his current platform and statements through those comments--especially since his current platform is just a softer version of those comments, indicating that one should probably filter this current platform THROUGH those statements.

So, maybe you should cut out the BS victim complex and start discussing in good faith?

 

[NashVol11]

Hopefully by helping make things more affordable, in part through libertarian principles of cutting red tape in addition to the socialist things people focus on. Certain things (including groceries) are f***ing expensive here

Libertarian principals? Like having the gov't go into business as competition against business owners?

Apparebtly, he's gone from being a communist to being a libertarian

Textbook bad faith btw, but I appreciate the conversation with most of you, including 8188 this time

 

[NashVol11]

Nashvol11 has to be one of the more delusional leftist posters on the board. The indoctrination is at a point of no return.

Hey remember when you nonsensically said Zohran's turnout was low? Do you think it was because you were indoctrinated, delusional or especially dedicated to one political team as always?

 

[NashVol11]

I don't know or care but I think it is pretty weird for others to suggest his politics are defined by some video from 5 years ago rather than his actual platform that he campaigned on and people voted for

Now, I'm not saying that his past statements should completely define his politics,

So agreeing with me

but it's asinine to expect people to just ignore them

A thing I didn't say anyone should do, but I don't think they are very meaningful and personally don't care at all

and not weigh his current platform and statements through those comments--especially since his current platform is just a softer version of those comments,

His current platform has nothing even remotely approaching worker ownership of the means of production

indicating that one should probably filter this current platform THROUGH those statements.

So, maybe you should cut out the BS victim complex and start discussing in good faith?

Jokes write themselves. All of this just to agree with what I said and argue with a strawman

 

[Orange_Crush]

Textbook bad faith btw, but I appreciate the conversation with most of you, including 8188 this time

<eyeroll> You're soft enough to be in here and not deal with the occasional sarcasm, especially as response to your incorrect claims someone is dealing in bad faith and building strawmen? (It's not bad faith to point out the schizophrenic nature of those statements.)

Now let's go back to your original accusation of me misrepresenting your points.

I don't know or care but I think it is pretty weird for others to suggest his politics are defined by some video from 5 years ago rather than his actual platform that he campaigned on and people voted for

How did I misrepresent that?

Also, please list these libertarian policies from the guy who claimed that he wants the government to seize the means of production, and currently claims that he wants to redistribute wealth based on race? Claimed that he wants the government to go into business competition against those it exists to serve, and planned to use taxpayer money to supplement the gov't in that competition against its constituents?

What exactly makes you suspect he has great respect for our personal liberties if he won't respect a person's liberty to conduct business independent of gov't as competitor, one's right to the proceeds of their work above and against someone's rights to them when they didn't work for it, and has a history of claims that he believes the government should take away the means of production thaty citizens have built?


You ACTUALLY got offended that that claim of libertarian expectations received sarcasm as a response?

 

[Orange_Crush]

So agreeing with me

A thing I didn't say anyone should do, but I don't think they are very meaningful and personally don't care at all

His current platform has nothing even remotely approaching worker ownership of the means of production

Jokes write themselves. All of this just to agree with what I said and argue with a strawman

All you had to do was give that clarity as soon as I asked for it, as opposed to grasping your soft pearls and playing the victim card.

So, all along you've agreed that?

indicating that one should probably filter this current platform THROUGH those statements.

Or you're just looking for the nearest escape ramp?


So, you agree that we should take his previous comments into consideration as a heavy weight against his current platform? Probably even filter them THROUGH his previous communist comments since he's talking now about the gov't going into business as competition against those it exists to serve, and using their tax money against them in that competition?

It's not in any way "weird" to judge him and his current platform by those previous statements?

If so, you could have said that the FIRST time I asked you for clarity.

(And how about stop with the "woe is me, I'm such a victim" crap? When people are trying to have a discussion, they ask for clarification like I did over and over. Taking those requests and turning them into accusations of straw men and such is cowardly and bad faith. If you've made statements that you find hard to support, just admit it and move on. It's no great catastrophe.)

I don't know or care but I think it is pretty weird for others to suggest his politics are defined by some video from 5 years ago rather than his actual platform that he campaigned on and people voted for

Why is that weird? When he says communist things, it's weird to point it out?

What's weird would be, if you want less of a chance of having a communist in office, voting for the guy that's said his goal is the gov't taking over the means of production.

Is that what I said, or did I say "defining his politics" and you chose to argue with a strawman instead?

By all means, please clarify.

From here, having accused me of "bad faith", you detoured into some weird comparison to Trump supposedly having said to inject bleach, as though our beloved former-communist had not said what he'd said about the means of production. And you claim I've been tilting strawmen.

Get over yourself.

 

[NashVol11]

All you had to do was give that clarity as soon as I asked for it, as opposed to grasping your soft pearls and playing the victim card.

So, all along you've agreed that?



Or you're just looking for the nearest escape ramp?


So, you agree that we should take his previous comments into consideration as a heavy weight against his current platform? Probably even filter them THROUGH his previous communist comments since he's talking now about the gov't going into business as competition against those it exists to serve, and using their tax money against them in that competition?

It's not in any way "weird" to judge him and his current platform by those previous statements?

If so, you could have said that the FIRST time I asked you for clarity.

(And how about stop with the "woe is me, I'm such a victim" crap? When people are trying to have a discussion, they ask for clarification like I did over and over. Taking those requests and turning them into accusations of straw men and such is cowardly and bad faith. If you've made statements that you find hard to support, just admit it and move on. It's no great catastrophe.)






From here, having accused me of "bad faith", you detoured into some weird comparison to Trump supposedly having said to inject bleach, as though our beloved former-communist had not said what he'd said about the means of production. And you claim I've been tilting strawmen.

Get over yourself.

Hey, like I said, you've seen me have several other respectful interactions with others in this thread just today, and if you can't see the difference in your posts to me that's on you. I even gave you an example of textbook bad faith and you doubled down and called me soft while acting like my issue was "sarcasm" and not you completely misrepresenting what I said. You are welcome to continue theatrically overreacting to everything on your own

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Can someone explain or point me to an article that explains the NYC primary. I see stories where ZM trounced Cuomo, but i don't see how many first place vote he got versus the total cast in the Democratic primary or the total votes cast in both primaries. I also see that Eric Adams was on the D primary ballot but will be running as an independent in the general election, and that Cuomo is considering an independent run.
I'm curious as to whether ZM is as much a shoe in to be the next mayor of NYC as the usual democratic primary winner would be.
Was the NYC's first ranked choice election?

I'm starting to wonder if he isn't a distraction from the real plan the Marxists have (whatever that is), because he is such a lightning rod. He makes Killer Cuomo and even Adams look rational and reasonable

 

[NashVol11]

I'm starting to wonder if he isn't a distraction from the real plan the Marxists have (whatever that is), because he is such a lightning rod. He makes Killer Cuomo and even Adams look rational and reasonable

I don't think he was really a "lightning rod" at all until the last week or two of smear campaigns

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Do you think the Republican can beat him? People in Cities have mush for brains.

Would it matter? NYC will still be a disaster.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I don't think he was really a "lightning rod" at all until the last week or two of smear campaigns

Not hard to smear a dyed in the wool Communist. He's thrown such a softball out there that Stevie Wonder could hit it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Hey, like I said, you've seen me have several other respectful interactions with others in this thread just today, and if you can't see the difference in your posts to me that's on you. I even gave you an example of textbook bad faith and you doubled down and called me soft while acting like my issue was "sarcasm" and not you completely misrepresenting what I said. You are welcome to continue theatrically overreacting to everything on your own

And you still refuse to answer the questions I posed.

Believe it or not, I try to err on the side of respectful, although I do find sarcasm to be a good way to get points across.

However, whether with a friend in face to face conversation, or an anonymous poster on the internet, I take my integrity seriously. If you attack it, especially while I'm asking you to clarify the comments in question, you get what you get.

So, again, get over yourself.

And I'm happy to discuss whatever it is that makes you ignore his previous comments (and his current platform by the way), that has created your expectations that he'll act like a libertarian.

Again? Was it the desire to take the means of production from those who've built it? Or using taxpayer money to build business competition against the population, with stated plans to undercut their prices, thus inevitably driving them out of business? Or increase tax loads in a racist manner to take from those who have worked for their wealth and give it to those who haven't?

I mean, now that you mention it, this is actually John Galt running for mayor. As one with heavy libertarian leanings, I may just move to NY so I can vote for him!

 

[BreatheUT]

Hey, like I said, you've seen me have several other respectful interactions with others in this thread just today, and if you can't see the difference in your posts to me that's on you. I even gave you an example of textbook bad faith and you doubled down and called me soft while acting like my issue was "sarcasm" and not you completely misrepresenting what I said. You are welcome to continue theatrically overreacting to everything on your own

The victim card is not a good look.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not hard to smear a dyed in the wool Communist. He's thrown such a softball out there that Stevie Wonder could hit it.

By "smear campaigns", he's used that phrase to compare with Trump, who was accused of saying things he didn't say. It's a misdirection.

...

First you feigned surprise at me treating a bad faith post the way it deserves, and now you are apparently surprised that I haven't adopted an obvious smear campaign as my new opinion. Were you also surprised when conservatives didn't adopt the "Trump said inject disinfectant which means bleach" smear or any of several others as their opinion? I don't believe any of this is actually surprising to you if you engage in good faith for once

No. I wasn't surprised at all, as he never said it.

It's an obvious false equivalence that's handy to sidestep what was actually said, as it's pretty hard to defend the man as a candidate if we actually weigh what he's said.

 

[NashVol11]

The victim card is not a good look.

Saying bad faith doesn't warrant responses isn't "playing the victim," and if anything, playing the victim would be whining about one's integrity being impugned because someone said you were engaging in bad faith when you were doing exactly that (and just did it in the same thread 2 days ago)

 

[OrangeTsar]

And it’s ultimately designed to fail. That’s one of the most amazing things of left wing ideology.

1. Control some aspect of the system
2. Failure
3. Use the failure as evidence for why you need greater control.

Basically the plot of Atlas Shrugged and you see it over and over again.

In “Capitalism a Love Story” Michael Moore shows a black guy with trisomy 21 and attempts to blame banks for lending to the man out of their evil greed.

Reality is left wing laws prohibited the banks from discriminating against him.

You forgot number 4) failure means it wasn’t really socialism done CORRECTLY

 

[Orange_Crush]

His election “platform” is different. The claim is that he too is now different.

So the question, imo, is which do you assess as more likely?

- Mamdani has moderated his core beliefs
or
- Mamdani has moderated his messaging

His election platform isn't all that different.

He's stated plans to basically drive private grocery stores (i.e. business owners) out of business by using taxpayer money to make the gov't their competitors and undercut their prices. Sounds like a step toward seizing some means.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[OrangeTsar]

Hopefully by helping make things more affordable, in part through libertarian principles of cutting red tape in addition to the socialist things people focus on. Certain things (including groceries) are f***ing expensive here

Groceries are expensive not because of „greed“ or „gouging“. Groceries in NYC (especially Manhattan) because 1). The Land and rent are more expensive than just about anywhere else. 2) everything has to be trucked in through a limited number of access points 3) groceries have to be trucked in further because of the hyper urbanized NE corridor 4) regulations and taxes 5)people are willing to pay the prices and according to supply and demand; prices will rise.
Everywhere, grocery stores subsist on very very narrow profit margins.

 

[Majors]

I don't think he was really a "lightning rod" at all until the last week or two of smear campaigns

Screaming at Tom Homan while he’s campaigning is good decorum or is that bad faith?

 

[OrangeTsar]

How is that even disingenuous? What box should he have checked as someone born in Uganda of South Asian descent?

Asian. Next question?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Screaming at Tom Homan while he’s campaigning is good decorum or is that bad faith?

Should be a ticket to Happy Acres asylum.

 

[Majors]

Frowned upon on saying you have a bomb on a plane or yelling fire in a crowded theater. Wear a fake (presumed fake) in a crowd of people, cool costume bro!

 

[OrangeTsar]

Have we entered going to back churches phase yet?

Liberals go bonkers apoplectic whenever a conservative in a white church says ANYTHING that can be construed as political. But liberals appearing in a black church turns immediately into a DNC campaign rally. They endorse candidates by name and support literal legislation.

 

[Majors]

Liberals go bonkers apoplectic whenever a conservative in a white church says ANYTHING that can be construed as political. But liberals appearing in a black church turns immediately into a DNC campaign rally. They endorse candidates by name and support literal legislation.

You know it’s election time when old white guys are sitting with the Bishop/Reverend in front of the choir tapping their foot.