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NashVol11 said:
Hopefully by helping make things more affordable, in part through libertarian principles of cutting red tape in addition to the socialist things people focus on. Certain things (including groceries) are f***ing expensive here
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Libertarian principals? Like having the gov't go into business as competition against business owners? Like taxing the rich/white neighborhoods heavier--i.e. targeted distribution of wealth? And you don't see a connection between that and his communist rhetoric from a few years ago?

And for the record, I have a few questions that you haven't answered.

If David Duke ran for mayor without mentioning race, you'd give him the benefit of the doubt?

If Trump had run in this most recent election with liberal promises, you'd have given him the benefit of the doubt?

I ask because, as you accuse others of having discussed in "bad faith", I suspect you're actually just smuggling in some special pleading for this guy.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Those can more accurately be described as shifting the property tax burden to more expensive neighborhoods, a rent freeze on rent-controlled apartments which has been done here a few times already, and a pilot program of like 5 grocery stores to compete with the current (again, expensive, Trader Joe's and Whole Foods are the "cheap" end) ones.

I don't know if it will work but I'm not surprised his focus on affordability resonated, and he is also a very good speaker
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Very libertarian of him.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Libertarian principals? Like having the gov't go into business as competition against business owners? Like taxing the rich/white neighborhoods heavier--i.e. targeted distribution of wealth? And you don't see a connection between that and his communist rhetoric from a few years ago?

And for the record, I have a few questions that you haven't answered.

If David Duke ran for mayor without mentioning race, you'd give him the benefit of the doubt?

If Trump had run in this most recent election with liberal promises, you'd have given him the benefit of the doubt?

I ask because, as you accuse others of having discussed in "bad faith", I suspect you're actually just smuggling in some special pleading for this guy.
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Nash is sadly, quite naive. Well intentioned in his mind, but naive. He's obviously never learned history
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Libertarian principals? Like having the gov't go into business as competition against business owners? Like taxing the rich/white neighborhoods heavier--i.e. targeted distribution of wealth? And you don't see a connection between that and his communist rhetoric from a few years ago?

And for the record, I have a few questions that you haven't answered.

If David Duke ran for mayor without mentioning race, you'd give him the benefit of the doubt?

If Trump had run in this most recent election with liberal promises, you'd have given him the benefit of the doubt?

I ask because, as you accuse others of having discussed in "bad faith", I suspect you're actually just smuggling in some special pleading for this guy.
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If you can't tell the difference between this attempted gotcha garbage where you intentionally miss the point repeatedly and my conversations with everyone else the last couple of pages, you may be beyond help as far as bad faith is concerned
 
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NashVol11 said:
That was buried in a hard-to-find policy memo that got highlighted after he won, very few of his voters had probably even seen that before so most of the above is nonsensical

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Which is generally what politicians count on, and you seem to agree.
 
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NashVol11 said:
If you can't tell the difference between this attempted gotcha garbage where you intentionally miss the point repeatedly and my conversations with everyone else the last couple of pages, you may be beyond help as far as bad faith is concerned
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Who’s going to supply the merchandise for his government ran stores?
 
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NashVol11 said:
If you can't tell the difference between this attempted gotcha garbage where you intentionally miss the point repeatedly and my conversations with everyone else the last couple of pages, you may be beyond help as far as bad faith is concerned
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I've asked repeatedly for you to clarify. You don't seem capable or interested. EXACTLY how am I misrepresenting the point?
 
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NashVol11 said:
That was buried in a hard-to-find policy memo that got highlighted after he won, very few of his voters had probably even seen that before so most of the above is nonsensical

I didn't say him being a good speaker made me like him, I said it is a factor in his victory and his chances in November which is objectively true
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So you'll be voting against him now, right? I mean you're going to tolerate such racist, divisive ideas?

Yes, stupid people are easily influenced. This guys says words in a way that I like. Durrrrr
 
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just bob said:
So you'll be voting against him now, right? I mean you're going to tolerate such racist, divisive ideas?

Yes, stupid people are easily influenced. This guys says words in a way that I like. Durrrrr
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If David Duke ran today without mentioning race, would the current defenders give him the benefit of the doubt? Would Nash be on here saying:
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I don't know or care but I think it is pretty weird for others to suggest his politics are defined by some video from 5 years ago rather than his actual platform that he campaigned on and people voted for
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Orangeslice13 said:
Has he since stated that he no longer believes those communist ideals?
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His election “platform” is different. The claim is that he too is now different.

So the question, imo, is which do you assess as more likely?

- Mamdani has moderated his core beliefs
or
- Mamdani has moderated his messaging
 
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NashVol11 said:
That was buried in a hard-to-find policy memo that got highlighted after he won, very few of his voters had probably even seen that before so most of the above is nonsensical

I didn't say him being a good speaker made me like him, I said it is a factor in his victory and his chances in November which is objectively true
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Buried or protected?
 
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85SugarVol said:
His election “platform” is different. The claim is that he too is now different.

So the question, imo, is which do you assess as more likely?

- Mamdani has moderated his core beliefs
or
- Mamdani has moderated his messaging
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Apparebtly, he's gone from being a communist to being a libertarian (who wants racist, targeted redistribution of wealth, and the gov't going into private business as competition against the populace, to be supported by the tax moneys of those the gov't competes with, from policies/funds that do not actually exist).

Seriously, how ethical is it to put private business owners in competition with the full power of their government with plans that public tax money will be used to subsidize the competition against those private business owners? The ones who control business policy, and the money taken from the citizens, will be fair competition?

 
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Orange_Crush said:
Apparebtly, he's gone from being a communist to being a libertarian (who wants racist, targeted redistribution of wealth, and the gov't going into private business as competition against the populace, to be supported by the tax moneys of those the gov't competes with, from policies/funds that do not actually exist).
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Have we entered going to back churches phase yet?
 
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just bob said:
He said whiter because he knew it would excite the racist base of the dems in NYC like yourself. You'd rather punish white people than do what's best for you. He knows the numbers and the idiotic white guilt prevalent in dem cities.

It's an idiotic idea to begin with. How was he going to pay for them? I know he said...

You have to pay attention to the content and read between the lines, not just focus on the delivery. You're easily influenced.
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Nashvol11 has to be one of the more delusional leftist posters on the board. The indoctrination is at a point of no return.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I've asked repeatedly for you to clarify. You don't seem capable or interested. EXACTLY how am I misrepresenting the point?
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Correct, I am not interested in conversations with people who can't go any length of time without cramming as many bad faith strawmen as they can into one post. You were fake surprised when I said that a couple days ago and appear to be doing the same fake surprise routine again multiple times today. No one but you had a problem understanding my point instead of engaging in ridiculous theatrics about the grand wizard of the KKK
 
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