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MSNBC host Joe Scarborough defended Donald Trump's bombing of Iran over the weekend - saying Hillary Clinton and several previous presidents would have all done the same.

The Morning Joe host's surprising take came as discourse swirled about Trump's strikes on fortified uranium enrichment facilities in Iran.

'I find it hard to believe that Bush 41, Bush 43, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton - you know, go down the list - any president wouldn't have felt compelled to take that strike,' the former Florida Republican explained.

He also said Trump was left with 'no good options' when it came to a solution.

www.dailymail.co.uk

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough gives shocking take on Trump's Iran strikes

The Morning Joe host's surprising comments came as discourse swirled about Trump's strikes on fortified uranium enrichment facilities in Iran.
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volbound1700 said:
We are NOT setup to be Christian, though. To pursue it, at least at Federal level, would be unconstitutional. Now state is a different situation. Massachusetts joined the nation with an official church religion, Congressionalist (formerly Puritan), and I think Maryland was in the same boat with Catholicism.

States were originally given significant autonomy, especially on domestic issues. This has slowly been eroded away ever since the Civil War.

A basic way to explain the setup in a modern take. Tennessee itself could have identified itself as a Baptist state which means it could require all sessions to open with a Baptist orient prayers and teach Baptist doctrine in their public schools. However, it could not tell Kentucky, Alabama, etc. to do this or have any authority over those states. That is at least how I read the original setup. Now Tennessee is governed by its own Constitution which makes it a secular state.
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Yes most of the Bill of Rights, including the 1st Amendment, have been extended to the states further to the 14th Amendment.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough defended Donald Trump's bombing of Iran over the weekend - saying Hillary Clinton and several previous presidents would have all done the same.

The Morning Joe host's surprising take came as discourse swirled about Trump's strikes on fortified uranium enrichment facilities in Iran.

'I find it hard to believe that Bush 41, Bush 43, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton - you know, go down the list - any president wouldn't have felt compelled to take that strike,' the former Florida Republican explained.

He also said Trump was left with 'no good options' when it came to a solution.

www.dailymail.co.uk

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough gives shocking take on Trump's Iran strikes

The Morning Joe host's surprising comments came as discourse swirled about Trump's strikes on fortified uranium enrichment facilities in Iran.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Pro War is a bipartisan corporate media take.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
'I find it hard to believe that Bush 41, Bush 43, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton - you know, go down the list - any president wouldn't have felt compelled to take that strike,' the former Florida Republican explained.
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No ****. Why not put Graham, McCain and Cheney in charge?

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Franklin Pierce said:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough defended Donald Trump's bombing of Iran over the weekend - saying Hillary Clinton and several previous presidents would have all done the same.

The Morning Joe host's surprising take came as discourse swirled about Trump's strikes on fortified uranium enrichment facilities in Iran.

'I find it hard to believe that Bush 41, Bush 43, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton - you know, go down the list - any president wouldn't have felt compelled to take that strike,' the former Florida Republican explained.

He also said Trump was left with 'no good options' when it came to a solution.

www.dailymail.co.uk

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough gives shocking take on Trump's Iran strikes

The Morning Joe host's surprising comments came as discourse swirled about Trump's strikes on fortified uranium enrichment facilities in Iran.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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That’s just a list of people that I purposely DIDNT VOTE FOR…..
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Israel has separate courts for different religions and such. Muslims and Christians are not expected to serve in the IDF but can volunteer while Jewish citizens are expected to serve in the IDF. Israel is a blended theocracy.
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It seems to have more to do with ethnicity than religion. Arabs(excluding Druze) isn’t mandatory but Druze and Circassian’s have to serve
 
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Vol8188 said:
We aren’t in a war. As far as the budget, we will see. If he hadn’t given the massive military budget increase I’d be impressed by his first budget. That brings it down significantly
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the "war" thing is semantics BS going back to at least Obama. It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, eats like a duck, craps like a duck, but because some orange a-hole calls it a pigeon you guys line up to call it the prettiest pigeon you have ever seen.

according to you we haven't had a new war since Korea. I bet those Vietnam and Afghanistan vets feel so much better because of it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
This is what Iran wants, its what everyone wants.... you haven't been paying attention. At this point Israel is probably telling the Iranians where to attack the Americans.
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All signs point to the opposite....... Yet you repeat this on and endless loop. As I've said before, even though you deny it, it's obvious this is exactly what you want........... You want to be right so bad you're projecting at levels obvious to everyone but you it seems.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If we are talking about the same section, it seems to be about removing him from office, not about how he came into office. Those are two separate questions
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It's about how he became PM.
"He has come to power as the leader of a national movement which has aroused intense popular support. This circumstance has caused the Majlis to nominate him to the Shah and compelled the Shah to appoint him to office."
 
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KB5252 said:
All signs point to the opposite....... Yet you repeat this on and endless loop. As I've said before, even though you deny it, it's obvious this is exactly what you want........... You want to be right so bad you're projecting at levels obvious to everyone but you it seems.
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You wrote quite a bit to say not much of anything. Its not about being right - its obvious observation. Next, you are going to tell me how the U.S. outsmarted a bunch of goat herders.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
We weren't set up to let women vote either and the Framers argued pretty robustly that the only people who should vote were landowners. So called "Originalists" that are appointed to SCOTUS know much more than most that the intent of the Framers wasn't anywhere near what we have.

Many Congress members also know the intent for the Federal govt was far more limited, as you say, but introduce next to nothing to roll back Federal overreach. Each POTUS treats the office like a little kingdom dropping this executive order and that executive order while Congress nor the Court tries nothing to rein in that overreach.

IF we amended the Constitution, even TRIED to amend the Constitution to once again limit the Federal power, we could move back toward the Originalist intent which is a FAR FAR FAR FAR less intrusive Federal govt and a far richer, more diverse group of states.

Anyway, a long way from Iran but I think America would be so unrecognizable to Jefferson that he'd suggest a second revolution (hint: my name isn't just about The Beatles.)
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This country would be so different if only land owners vote. Identity politics would be dead.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Right. Which makes it absurd to blame America for Iran going from this wonderful secular country to a theocratic joke.
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That's a funny looking bridge you just built. It doesn't make it absurd to blame America for what happened since we and the UK kicked off the series of events that led to it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You wrote quite a bit to say not much of anything. Its not about being right - its obvious observation. Next, you are going to tell me how the U.S. outsmarted a bunch of goat herders.
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You say it's obvious but the actions in the theatre aren't supporting what you state is obvious. This looks to be just the strike on nuclear targets and a symbolic response to save face for Iran.

It's playing out very much like it did when Trump hit the Iranian general in his first term. Yet you are claiming the exact opposite with nothing to back it up except "it's obvious"
 
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KB5252 said:
All signs point to the opposite....... Yet you repeat this on and endless loop. As I've said before, even though you deny it, it's obvious this is exactly what you want........... You want to be right so bad you're projecting at levels obvious to everyone but you it seems.
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What large scale attack options do the Iranians have left at this point? The US operates eight military bases across the ME. Iran has also lost control of their airspace.
 
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KB5252 said:
You say it's obvious but the actions in the theatre aren't supporting what you state is obvious. This looks to be just the strike on nuclear targets and a symbolic response to save face for Iran.

It's playing out very much like it did when Trump hit the Iranian general in his first term. Yet you are claiming the exact opposite with nothing to back it up except "it's obvious"
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The obvious observation is the same conditions are in place to setup the next step. Whether the bait is taken is another story but the stage is being set. Yes, it is obvious unless someone was locked up in prison for the last 30-40 years and had absolutely no access to information or someone has a serious brain injury.

We have seen this movie over and over - maybe you live in a cave or something.

 
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EasternVol said:
Yes most of the Bill of Rights, including the 1st Amendment, have been extended to the states further to the 14th Amendment.
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Supreme Court states that but generally I am not sure 14th Amendment reads that way. However, I will state that almost every US State has a Constitution that basically mirrors the USA Constitution. There is a 99% change that the State Constitution aligns with whatever Federal right people want today.

Here is how 14th Amendment specifically reads: 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Civil Rights (1868)

Section 1 is really the only relevant text, the rest are very specific to elections or Civil War items (limitations on people that lead insurrections against the USA)

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Now this clause has been read to do all kinds of crazy things such as limit a State on what can be taught in school or create a Right of Privacy (Griswold vs. Connecticut) which seems pretty far fetched from the Section as read.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
We aren't at war. Crap like this happens regularly under most every President without everyone regurgitating the "World War 3" narrative. So dumb.
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It's also being reported that Iran gave notice ahead of time about striking our base in Qatar. Doesn't sound like any war I've ever read about. It was obviously just for political theater. We also started moving our aircraft away from that particular base 2 weeks ago. In addition, Iran can't fight a war right now. They have no air capabilities. They can only continue to blindly shoot missiles in the direction of Israel or our bases and hope some get through. They have been doing this through proxies for decades so if that's war then we have been at war for 20+ years now and the liberal media is just now realizing it.
 
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Or how about you get one vote as a US citizen, another vote if you pay income taxes, and another vote if you pay property taxes?
 
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