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EasternVol said:
She didn't state what I mentioned her saying and what the video showed her saying? That's interesting.
Did the second 'new' part of her statement prove the first part to be wrong? Where's the rest of her statement?
Why would you say her opinion is 100% opposite of mine? Remember that I said at least twice that I didn't know, and neither do you, what Iran was up to, and found Tulsi's statement to be of interest given her position.
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Lmfao “I said I don’t know! They could just be enriching uranium as a way to threaten others! Not for weapons! Totally different”
 
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Orange. said:
It's crazy that we are funding both sides since Obama (in league with the "failure theater" GOP Senate) sent $1.7 billion to Iran.
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That was nearly a decade ago. When people accuse nations of “funding both sides of a war”, they typically mean you’ve sent them money a little closer to the war than 9 years.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Can we just stop funding……..everyone who isn’t us?
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Honestly? I’m open to selective foreign aid. Ukraine being an example. I think we are coming to a crossroads soon with Russia and China, and foreign policy decisions made over the next decade or so are going to be a major deciding factor into how it all plays out.

If we continue to weaken Russia in Ukraine, destroy Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and weaken China through tariffs (while lowering tariffs with everyone else to cut China off), it could play out incredibly well.

If we cut Ukraine off, allow Iran to gain nuclear capabilities, and continue to strengthen China economically through trade, the world could be a dark place in 10-20 years
 
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Vol8188 said:
If we continue to weaken Russia in Ukraine, destroy Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and weaken China through tariffs (while lowering tariffs with everyone else to cut China off), it could play out incredibly well.

If we cut Ukraine off, allow Iran to gain nuclear capabilities, and continue to strengthen China economically through trade, the world could be a dark place in 10-20 years
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Economics/demographics is is going to determine China's fate, not U.S. trade or dumb tariff policy.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Economics/demographics is is going to determine China's fate, not U.S. trade or dumb tariff policy.
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The economic fortunes of China is down stream of trade. Surely you accept that reality?

Demographics is an issue for them today. But in 20-30 years? Maybe not. The one child policy has been gone for almost a decade now.
 
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hog88 said:
Let them do it with their humans.
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Exactly…you plotted for years to take out their air defense systems off the top but not the most important thing you’re absolutely afraid of?…yea use you’re own people..after all they’re next door to you…our phones don’t ring😭🤣🤣 so tired of being pulled into s**t
 
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Vol8188 said:
Honestly? I’m open to selective foreign aid. Ukraine being an example. I think we are coming to a crossroads soon with Russia and China, and foreign policy decisions made over the next decade or so are going to be a major deciding factor into how it all plays out.

If we continue to weaken Russia in Ukraine, destroy Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and weaken China through tariffs (while lowering tariffs with everyone else to cut China off), it could play out incredibly well.

If we cut Ukraine off, allow Iran to gain nuclear capabilities, and continue to strengthen China economically through trade, the world could be a dark place in 10-20 years
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What did Ukrainian aid do except prolong a war that kill over a million Ukrainians?

The US has spent trillions regime changing the Middle East and none of those Countries are better off today.

At some point so of you have to wake up and realize American foreign policy has been a total failure. Or you should. But by your post you want to keep trying. Insane.
 
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volgr said:
What did Ukrainian aid do except prolong a war that kill over a million Ukrainians?

The US has spent trillions regime changing the Middle East and none of those Countries are better off today.

At some point so of you have to wake up and realize American foreign policy has been a total failure. Or you should. But by your post you want to keep trying. Insane.
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Lmao please site your source for 1 million dead Ukrainians?

The answer is obvious as to what has been gained. A weak Russia unable to defend its proxies in Iran and Syria.
 
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I don't get a couple things about Israel supposedly needing the US to take out Fodrow. I don't believe they really do, they just want to dangle a target in front of us to get us involved.

1. How would Israel get it done on the ground if they can't get it done via the air? Are those soldiers going to be bringing more ordinance with them than Israel can fly? It literally doesn't make any sense. especially considering Iran would be able to strike back against any ground assault.
2. Israel could just starve them out. don't allow anything in or out for a couple weeks/months. bomb anything that gets close to the area.
3. I would think you could render the site ineffective other ways. the entrances are partially sunken, just collapse the sides to block the entrances. find any air vents and blow them up. yeah it won't reach 100m into the mountain but you don't need to. I would think Israel intel is good enough to find enough to cripple the site.
4. use some sort of wetworks to take it down. another virus, sneak some more cell phone bombs in, drones.

they started this fight, they need to figure out how to end it without our help.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmao please site your source for 1 million dead Ukrainians?

The answer is obvious as to what has been gained. A weak Russia unable to defend its proxies in Iran and Syria.
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You didnt weaken Russia, that is the point. Economically and militarily, Russia is stronger today than they were 2 years ago. American foreign policy is built on false assumptions that never actually happen. Which is why Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc didnt work out as planned. Now you can add Russia to that list.

Russia isnt defending Iran because it is weak but because they dont have a defensive alliance. Putin just spoke on this the other day. Russia and China are helping Iran where they can without turning this into a broader WW3 type war.
 
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volgr said:
The Iron Dome is another in a long line of overhyped western weapons.
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Remember what I posted earlier (and was promptly and oddly told it was a "weird stance")- Israel is launching 10-15 $12M US-taxpayer-funded missiles for every 5-10 $200k Iranian low-tech rockets, and this is still the result we get.

If nothing else we ought to be concerned about our own defenses.

EDIT: from my experience, the modern military industrial base is suffering from the same erosion of quality as the rest of the world. Perfection may not possible, but we should expect more for the amount of our money that gets put into these multi-billion-dollar projects. The most rudimentary of deployed systems runs over $1B in costs throughout its development- what do we think something like a missile defense system costs? For that amount, it better be performing better than this.
 
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