President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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EasternVol said:
As long as I get to choose the bad, right? But send them where?
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You realize that was a philosophical question, right? It's based on the observation that an enormous amount of what is bad about this country is concentrated in some fairly small percentage of the population. The vast majority of the hundreds of millions of people here are perfectly happy with the idea of everybody being perfectly happy and don't actually want to F with anybody or their lives. (10-15% was the arbitrary number being thrown out)

If we were literally discussing culling the herd they your observations would have merit.
 
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LouderVol said:
so then at least you can admit its not a "5 second process" to prove your citizenship? everyone on your side has been up in arms this whole time sayings its easy and foolproof. and here is a case where it wasn't.
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What is my side? I'm for legal and ethical enforcement of immigration.

For instance. If immigration or law enforcement was just traveling to worksites grabbing people and checking status I have a problem.

If immigration or law enforcement had reason to believe a particular job site was hiring violent criminal aliens and had warrants for one or more and checked the others status I don't have a problem. If they arrested only wanted people I'm good, the rest they could refer to immigration for lawful process.
 
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EasternVol said:
So not for not having ID then and only if there's probable cause to detain? That's acceptable and different from detained for not having ID.
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I think you have a typo in your first sentence. But I believe we are in agreement.

If I’m searching for someone in an area who you look like, and you claim not to have ID, it’s reasonable to detain you until the situation can be sorted out.

But no, I’m not claiming lack of ID should be a crime. I’m only claiming that lacking an ID makes it more likely you are wrongfully detained
 
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hog88 said:
One thing that might have helped, if these cities/states had cooperated and honored immigration holds on people the local police have arrested? But oh no, that would have been way to simple.
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Newly obtained ICE records reveal the sanctuary jurisdictions that have most frequently failed to allow ICE to take custody of deportable aliens who were jailed in those locations. Over the period covered by the records (October 1, 2022, to February 6, 2025), more than 25,000 detainers were declined by these jails, and in more than 1,400 instances the jails failed to give adequate notification to ICE to take custody of the aliens. Among the findings:
  • More than half of the declined detainers (52 percent) were refused by jails and prisons in California. The total number declined in California was 13,025.
 
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hog88 said:
One thing that might have helped, if these cities/states had cooperated and honored immigration holds on people the local police have arrested? But oh no, that would have been way to simple.
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Agreed. But I would prefer they would charge the administrators (politicians, prison/jail upper admin, etc) with obstruction of justice.
 
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EasternVol said:
He may not need it but he wants more and a whole lot more. Why else sell bibles and shoes and stupid hats to the gullible?
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He doesn't sell any of that besides his original hat.It is someones elses product that has a licensing agreement with Trump.
 
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hog88 said:
Immigration control could be relatively easy if we just pulled the politics out of it and reformed the whole process.
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The whole process does need reformed but that will require Congress to do some work and we know how that usually goes unless they want to pass the Patriot Act or some such shyte. I'm almost surprised that there's no news (unless I missed it) from Trump's team or either side in Congress about reforming the process and resetting the immigration quotas.
 
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hndog609 said:
You realize that was a philosophical question, right? It's based on the observation that an enormous amount of what is bad about this country is concentrated in some fairly small percentage of the population. The vast majority of the hundreds of millions of people here are perfectly happy with the idea of everybody being perfectly happy and don't actually want to F with anybody or their lives. (10-15% was the arbitrary number being thrown out)

If we were literally discussing culling the herd they your observations would have merit.
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Yes I realize that and I guess you realize that my comment was just to say that different people have different ideas about who's good and who's bad.
 
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McDad said:
Yes. Even though it may upset one's delicate sensibilities, people are profiled. Profiling is why you and I avoid going into neighborhoods that look sketchy. Or passing by the bar with the all Harleys parked outside. It's why that one poster gets nervous when a brown person gets on an airplane.

So, yes. There are people who fit the profile of an immigrant. That profile raises questions about their status and they get questioned. I hope 'questionable citizenship' makes more sense to you now.
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As I alluded to earlier, broken English would be a pretty good indicator that a person didn't grow up here, thus may not be a citizen. Now, they may have come and gotten citizenship/residency later in life. But it's a pretty good indicator.

People acting like the majority of us are likely to be swept up and kicked out of the country is laughable.
 
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McDad said:
I carry my passport in another country so that I can avoid unnecessary entanglements and delays. It expedites those officials knowing who I am if the need arises. It is the same here for people who are going to fit the profile. Yes, you can avoid the "showing of papers" because this is america. and you can get dragged into a holding cell and lose a few hours of your life. If that's you idea of best use of your time, go for it. But it isn't mine.
It reminds me of the convo I had with my son about consenting to a vehicle search if he is stopped by the police. He can refuse. It is his right. By that refusal has consequences of time and delay.
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Go to Latin America, and you have to show ID/Passport to get a bus ticket.
 
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KB5252 said:
What is my side? I'm for legal and ethical enforcement of immigration.

For instance. If immigration or law enforcement was just traveling to worksites grabbing people and checking status I have a problem.

If immigration or law enforcement had reason to believe a particular job site was hiring violent criminal aliens and had warrants for one or more and checked the others status I don't have a problem. If they arrested only wanted people I'm good, the rest they could refer to immigration for lawful process.
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Why? Is it not the law--that is, as long as the worksite is a public place.

And how is sweepig them into the immigration process unlawful? I don't understand.
 
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EasternVol said:
If he advertises it and gets a cut it's fair to say that he sells it though.
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True but it something none of us would turn down. 350-500,000 plus percentage of sales to do one video calling it the biggest, most beautiful shoe/Bible and allowing it to be attached to a website.
 
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EasternVol said:
Yes I realize that and I guess you realize that my comment was just to say that different people have different ideas about who's good and who's bad.
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I can't accept that you don't know there are people out there that can pretty much, and for good reason, be universally hated, right? I'll start with a couple easy ones. Every MF'er that makes a business out of scamming old people out of their livelihood can be set on fire right now. Every MF'er that's trafficking children for sex can be fed alive to hogs. We've got more than a little room before hitting any gray area.
 
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McDad said:
Perhaps I misunderstand your motivation to post the social media you share here. The assumption on my end is that you post things with which you align. So when I pick apart your commentary wrt to a posted social media clip, it shouldn't be unexpected.

I did not see any clarification you offered.
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You just don’t understand him and his nuance!
 
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