Beto O'Rourke running for Texas governor against GOP incumbent Abbott

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DinkinFlicka said:
I've little interest in racing to the red light.
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That’s fine. In twenty years or so online, I have never changed anyone’s mind on anything anyway. So I will just drop the matter for my own sanity. We are all pretty well locked in to our own opinions and only self reflection ever changes anything.
Enjoy your day.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
That’s fine. In twenty years or so online, I have never changed anyone’s mind on anything anyway. So I will just drop the matter for my own sanity. We are all pretty well locked in to our own opinions and only self reflection ever changes anything.
Enjoy your day.
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By that logic, you should cease posting.

Rewinding it, you can have your stance that Israel is the last vestige of God's chosen, but it in no way stands to reason that our tax dollars should go that way.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
By that logic, you should cease posting.

Rewinding it, you can have your stance that Israel is the last vestige of God's chosen, but it in no way stands to reason that our tax dollars should go that way.
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Everyone seems to have a cause overseas that they don't mind throwing money at.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
How will keeping good relations help his state economy? I feel like there is something in your question I'm missing.
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They already have good relations. This measure doesn't give them access they don't already have. Maybe it gives the politicians some extra campaign donations though.
 
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utvolpj said:
I vote for ones who support America. Appears you do otherwise
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A lot of people (myself included) believe the US is as successful as it is because of our alignment with Israel and the fact we offer them protection.

I truly believe the day we are no longer aligned with them is the day we fall.

Yes, this is based on my religious beliefs but history has proven that you cannot kill this group off no matter how bad you try via slavery, gas chambers, bombs, invasions.

And you don’t need Bible stories like Jericho to see it. 6 day war was an ass whooping.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
True. Your debate however is with God, not me. Knock yourself out.
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I'm not worried about it. If I'm not among God's chosen for thinking US citizens should be free to sanction a murderous regime, then I don't want any part of being His chosen.

The reality is you don't know God anymore than I do, and nobody here has any high-ground to say they do. There are many reasons even most believers will never play this chip in an open forum like this. It's not constructive. It only works if we can agree on ideas about God.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
How will keeping good relations help his state economy? I feel like there is something in your question I'm missing.
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So wait, you think Israel is going to stop doing business with his state if he doesn't pass a ******** law against his own citizens? Come on, bro.

You don't realize it, but you're saying Israel sucks ass, right now.
 
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NEO said:
A lot of people (myself included) believe the US is as successful as it is because of our alignment with Israel and the fact we offer them protection.

I truly believe the day we are no longer aligned with them is the day we fall.

Yes, this is based on my religious beliefs but history has proven that you cannot kill this group off no matter how bad you try via slavery, gas chambers, bombs, invasions.

And you don’t need Bible stories like Jericho to see it. 6 day war was an ass whooping.
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why? the state didn't exist for most of the last 2000+ years, including the first 170 years of this country's existence.

the state of Israel didn't exist until 1948.

your belief is not founded on actual history, or logic.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So wait, you think Israel is going to stop doing business with his state if he doesn't pass a ******** law against his own citizens? Come on, bro.

You don't realize it, but you're saying Israel sucks ass, right now.
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I think that he is doing it to keep good relations with Israel because he believes it will help his economy. You don't think that Texas competes with other states like California to get Israel's business? And NO I did not say I thought they would stop doing business with them if he didn't pass the law.

The part in red is just stupid.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I think that he is doing it to keep good relations with Israel because he believes it will help his economy. You don't think that Texas competes with other states like California to get Israel's business? And NO I did not say I thought they would stop doing business with them if he didn't pass the law.

The part in red is just stupid.
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He didn't need to do it if he wasn't going to lose their biz over it. You gotta pick one.
 
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LouderVol said:
why? the state didn't exist for most of the last 2000+ years, including the first 170 years of this country's existence.

the state of Israel didn't exist until 1948.

your belief is not founded on actual history, or logic.
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Do these people take the time to understand the actual history of the modern state of Israel? Who founded it, what their actual language is and how it came about, who funded them, how they double-crossed countries all over the world, and- best of all- how the region functioned before boatloads of their European settlers came in and upset the apple cart? Do they know anything about how Herzl said a nation is defined by "common enemy", in his case "anti-semitism", and not by shared culture and religion, and how Israel's literally- publicly and openly- funded its own opposition since its foundation to keep support and power over the region? Do they not know this "Israel" was established by wealthy, frequently violent and nihilistic, and overwhelmingly secular Europeans? Do they not understand that there is literally no record, through family tree or otherwise, of modern Israelis having some title or deed to the land?

Modern Israel is an artificial Disney Land for "Christians" (quotes very intentional) and Jews. The Martyr Made podcast lays out an excellent history of the nation state and the roots of conflict in the middle east which are much more modern than the average low-IQ evangelical wants to believe.


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Evangelical Christians wonder why their churches are dying when they keep putting that political state founded by those wealthy, frequently violent and nihilistic, and overwhelmingly secular Europeans above thousands of years of actual church preaching, scripture, and commentary and- worst of all- above Jesus Christ. Centuries of Christians functioned without any concept of a "state of Israel" being necessary for anything. These churches actually understood what the new covenant was and meant and that there was no "chosen people" beyond the church of Christ. This whole "Judeo-Christian" movement started with charismatic Darbyism, which itself began out of wacky black magic rituals and celtic paganism. FFS, the first targets of Israel in this most recent assault were overwhelmingly historic Christian churches and hospitals!

Walk into a church and they're just as likely to have a damn Israel flag as they are a cross (which a lot of charismatic places say is a type of idol worship). I quit going to the church I was attending when I was unironically told that a cross or image of Jesus are dangerously close to idols while the altar had an Israeli and Ukrainian flag on it. It's horrific, and any loving Christian would pray for any Jewish person to convert for salvation- not tell them they're all good and "chosen".
 
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LouderVol said:
why? the state didn't exist for most of the last 2000+ years, including the first 170 years of this country's existence.

the state of Israel didn't exist until 1948.

your belief is not founded on actual history, or logic.
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State and ppl are not the same.
 
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NEO said:
I’m saying Israel will be a nation until the end of times and we can disagree and that’s ok.

Whether we support Israel or not, they aren’t going anywhere.
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Here's what I don't get...there is no scripture that says anything about a nation-state of Israel getting established. It just says children of Israel will return. It doesn't say anything about them having a murderous government that has to control the region to fulfill prophesy. It doesn't say this regime will stand until the end of times. That's just how you fancy things.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Here's what I don't get...there is no scripture that says anything about a nation-state of Israel getting established. It just says children of Israel will return. It doesn't say anything about them having a murderous government that has to control the region to fulfill prophesy. It doesn't say this regime will stand until the end of times. That's just how you fancy things.
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All governments are murderous
 
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