Trade Wars and Tariffs

LOL

Did you notice one of his criticisms was actually about Biden, not Trump, calling him a dementia patient about a steel tariff. When it's Trump tariffs, he does not call him a dementia patient.

One of them was a claim that he had been calling them "dumb and stupid."

He called a gesture dumb. Not policy. Nothing that serious. It was a gesture.

There's really not a lot there.
So now you are back to arguing that he did not say what your last post agreed that he had said.

I know why you are always so certain in being right, Huff; it is because you take both sides of every argument!

I thought you were perhaps capable of some self-reflection; I was wrong. (See! I told you it wasn't that hard to say!)
 
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So, not since he's been elected? Lol. I shouldn't have said never. I should have said rarely. I know you've done it, but I also find you regularly arguing against small government and rule of law.

You been playing defense for 5 months, bro.

Move them goalposts!

You find ME arguing against small government? You’re going to have to show your work on this BS claim.
 
So now you are back to arguing that he did not say what your last post agreed that he had said.

I know why you are always so certain in being right, Huff; it is because you take both sides of every argument!

I thought you were perhaps capable of some self-reflection; I was wrong. (See! I told you it wasn't that hard to say!)

No. My original response still stands, "I should not have said 'never.'"

We could have left it there, but your reply indicated you hadn't actually checked his links. You decided to get involved, talking down to me. Now I'm pointing out the links provided were flimsy AF. Some of it proved my point, lol.

Not a good look for you
 
TSM is a foreign domiciled country. I don’t know how income taxes are determined for those entities. But if they build plants here, create good jobs for US workers that pay taxes, diversify the sourcing of what they’re producing for us (our not being overly dependent on manufacturing facilities inside of Taiwan), and those US fabs are generating profits by selling to customers outside of the US then it’s a great deal. They get a credit on their US tax obligation on profits that aren’t there otherwise (and with a mix of customers, not almost exclusively US customers), then those tax credits cost us very little. A net positive actually with a quick pay back. It’d be a different story if the US chip producers hadn’t mostly gone fabless. TSM looks like a similar arrangement to Japan, Germany, and Korea assembling vehicles here and selling them around the globe. There’s currently so much demand for chips right now that TSM isn’t going to drive others (Intel for example) into financial despair.

Last time I checked, INTC and TXN were the only US integrated device manufacturers (along with Samsung in SK). ADI, IBM, Broadcom, MU, HP, and ON are loosely defined as IDMs by some definitions. Our big chip dogs (NVDA, QCOM, AMD) are fabless and have design and IP while there are only a couple of foundry operators to make their products. TSM is by far the biggest, Global Foundries is a fraction of TSM’s size, and China owned UMC are pretty much the pure play foundry universe. Building a strong alliance with TSM is a great strategy. Winning with fair trade.

Another benefit for TSM… access to US capital through ADRs. A benefit for US citizens… capital gains on those ADR shares and appreciation for those not selling. Plus the dividend. Benefit for dot gov… tax revenue on the capital gains and dividends.

Not a huge fan of tax preferences in the tax code. Rather cut the rates across the board than give specific carve outs.

I doubt TSM will pay much in taxes in the US even with their profitability. Judging from their tax rate, they have most their value drivers (R&D, etc) located in lower tax jurisdictions.

IRA lets companies sell their investment tax credits and 45X credits if they cant fully utilize them to companies that can use them. TSM is selling them like crazy. (On an aside, IRA is costing a lot more than expected because the Feds WAY underputted the cost to allow companies to sell tax credits)

Between CHIPS subsidies and these IRA credit provisions, the cost will be up to 50B (depending on how much of the 160B investment is actual facilities and not payroll). Definite upside to having this onshore but fair question on cost as well especially with what Intel is getting for Ohio.
 
Or as @kiddiedoc would call it, "winning"



Don’t get me wrong, liberation day was retarded and an epic disaster.

But your metric for measuring success, the number of “legally binding trade deals” signed in less than two months? A metric that would require not only negation but then ratification by congress.

That’s equally retarded to believe less than 2 months is an adequate timeframe for that
 
Don’t get me wrong, liberation day was retarded and an epic disaster.

But your metric for measuring success, the number of “legally binding trade deals” signed in less than two months? A metric that would require not only negation but then ratification by congress.

That’s equally retarded to believe less than 2 months is an adequate timeframe for that
pretty sure the 90 in 90 was a Trump claim.

your argument should be with Trump overpromising to make his actions sound better than they will ever be.
 
pretty sure the 90 in 90 was a Trump claim.

your argument should be with Trump overpromising to make his actions sound better than they will ever be.

Dumb goal for sure. But he also didn’t add the qualifier of “legally binding” (meaning approved by congress)
 
Dumb goal for sure. But he also didn’t add the qualifier of “legally binding” (meaning approved by congress)
even removing that part, I don't think the number changes at all. so you are making a distinction without any difference.
 
According to Trump there’s 200 but that’s a difficult thing to quantify
of course there is...

my standard would be how many of those have made it to congress for a vote. because I agree waiting on them could take forever. but if its not sitting on their proverbial desks ready for a vote, thats on Trump.
 
So US Steel workers get a $5,000 bonus while we get to pay higher prices for everything containing steel.

Seems fair.

And this solves what, exactly?

Thanks Donald.
 

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