If Tennessee chooses state law over NIL pledge, it risks being kicked out of SEC

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S.C. OrangeMan said:
You are still epically confused.

What you're talking about is cherry picking.

The NFLPA CBA doesn't prevent its members from making money from NIL.

It prohibits them from making money on a few specific NIL products.

Those are two very different things, yet you're trying to conflate them.

You are claiming that a subset invalidates things that aren't in it. It clearly does not.

There's this thing called the ability to discern.
You should see about purchasing some.

And again, there is no college sports union, so there's no union to negotiate any such agreement in college anyway. Your entire line of thought here is a fantasy.
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In this thread you've said the NFL can't interfere with a players NIL. You've said the player's union can't interfere with a player's NIL. And you've said the CBA can't interfere with the player's NIL. None of that is true and it's been documented. What other posters have said is true. If, like the NFL, a CBA is reached with a college player's union, NIL can be restricted.

What you're saying with this post contradicts your previous arguments in this thread.
 
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TheDeeble said:
In this thread you've said the NFL can't interfere with a players NIL. You've said the player's union can't interfere with a player's NIL. And you've said the CBA can't interfere with the player's NIL. None of that is true and it's been documented. What other posters have said is true. If, like the NFL, a CBA is reached with a college player's union, NIL can be restricted.

What you're saying with this post contradicts your previous arguments in this thread.
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Actually, that's not actually what I said.
Players are still entitled to get NIL. No one can stop them from getting it.

There is no college players union. Again, you're arguing a fantasy.
 
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TheDeeble said:
In this thread you've said the NFL can't interfere with a players NIL. You've said the player's union can't interfere with a player's NIL. And you've said the CBA can't interfere with the player's NIL. None of that is true and it's been documented. What other posters have said is true. If, like the NFL, a CBA is reached with a college player's union, NIL can be restricted.

What you're saying with this post contradicts your previous arguments in this thread.
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The NFL and the NFLPA don't interfere with any player's NIL deals.

They agreed that the players won't sign NIL with a limited number of ce does.

They interfere with zero NIL deals that actually exist. Get a dictionary.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
We are setting the example that others follow and developing a huge reputation of being a program that is FOR THE PLAYERS. The enormity of that cannot be downplayed and our state and university believe that we can compete with anyone.
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We just told Nico to kick rocks so that's not happening. We're the program that finally told a player no. That's our reputation.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
The NFL and the NFLPA don't interfere with any player's NIL deals.

They agreed that the players won't sign NIL with a limited number of ce does.

They interfere with zero NIL deals that actually exist. Get a dictionary.
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They interfere with zero deals that exist because the deals that exist don't break the CBA. They have no reason to blanket ban all NIL deals. Only the ones that can call into question the integrity of the NFL.

Guess what else they interfere with when it comes to players NIL? They are significantly restricted when it comes to gambling! You don't think BetMGM or Draftkings would love to throw 10-15 million at Tyreek Hill or Christian McCaffrey to be their sportsbook spokesperson? Sounds like the NFL is interfering in their ability to profit from their NIL. And look at that last line. Any of the allowed activities "must be approved in advance by the League Office".


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Again, all I have to do is post your own words and you contradict yourself.

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TheDeeble said:
They interfere with zero deals that exist because the deals that exist don't break the CBA. They have no reason to blanket ban all NIL deals. Only the ones that can call into question the integrity of the NFL.

Guess what else they interfere with when it comes to players NIL? They are significantly restricted when it comes to gambling! You don't think BetMGM or Draftkings would love to throw 10-15 million at Tyreek Hill or Christian McCaffrey to be their sportsbook spokesperson? Sounds like the NFL is interfering in their ability to profit from their NIL. And look at that last line. Any of the allowed activities "must be approved in advance by the League Office".


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Again, you need a dictionary. Learn the difference between "prohibited" and "interfere".

Your fantasies are still lying to you. Pfft.
 
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TheDeeble said:
They interfere with zero deals that exist because the deals that exist don't break the CBA. They have no reason to blanket ban all NIL deals. Only the ones that can call into question the integrity of the NFL.

Guess what else they interfere with when it comes to players NIL? They are significantly restricted when it comes to gambling! You don't think BetMGM or Draftkings would love to throw 10-15 million at Tyreek Hill or Christian McCaffrey to be their sportsbook spokesperson? Sounds like the NFL is interfering in their ability to profit from their NIL. And look at that last line. Any of the allowed activities "must be approved in advance by the League Office".


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Let me spell it out for you.

What you are arguing about the NFL isn't interference in NIL. It is a short list of ptihibitions. That's not interference, because no NIL happens with those things.

There have to actually be NIL contracts for interfere ce to occur. The NFL and NFLPA don't interfere with those things. Patrick Mahomes' and Stare Farm send their warm regards.

Again, get a dictionary, and the ability to discern the difference between a prohibition and interference.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Dude
Please stop. UT told Nico no because he wasn’t worth what he was asking for. Need more proof? Look no further than his landing spot at UCLA.
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I agree. But what players think and what we think are different. The players see us as the team that told a player to kick rocks rather than give him a pay raise. That hardly makes us a player friendly program. It makes us at best the same as everyone else. So the idea we're seen as some leader for player's rights under NIL is a joke.
 
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TheDeeble said:
They interfere with zero deals that exist because the deals that exist don't break the CBA. They have no reason to blanket ban all NIL deals. Only the ones that can call into question the integrity of the NFL.

Guess what else they interfere with when it comes to players NIL? They are significantly restricted when it comes to gambling! You don't think BetMGM or Draftkings would love to throw 10-15 million at Tyreek Hill or Christian McCaffrey to be their sportsbook spokesperson? Sounds like the NFL is interfering in their ability to profit from their NIL. And look at that last line. Any of the allowed activities "must be approved in advance by the League Office".


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This thread won’t age well for him. He doesn’t understand what collective bargaining means so there’s no point in arguing with someone who refuses to acknowledge their mistake. It’s a waste of time. The next rounds of lawsuits after the house settlement are done is likely going to usher in this new era. Kind of crazy that it is the Tennessee administration is leading the rest of college sports after all of our poor leaders we’ve had these past couple of decades. I will repeat that White and Plowman have publicly stated a CBA is the only way to fix the pay to play issues, and it’s only a matter of when not if.

It will be interesting to see how it’s done and what a CFB player union is going to look like. And how hard both sides push on the NIL equation as part of a deal.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Let me spell it out for you.

What you are arguing about the NFL isn't interference in NIL. It is a short list of ptihibitions. That's not interference, because no NIL happens with those things.

There have to actually be NIL contracts for interfere ce to occur. The NFL and NFLPA don't interfere with those things. Patrick Mahomes' and Stare Farm send their warm regards.

Again, get a dictionary, and the ability to discern the difference between a prohibition and interference.
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Let me summarize you in this thread.

You:

S.C. OrangeMan said:
The union can't prohibit it's members from making money from private NIL deals.
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Also You:

S.C. OrangeMan said:
What you are arguing about the NFL isn't interference in NIL. It is a short list of ptihibitions.
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gainesvol82 said:
Ain't nobody think we are in the wrong on Nico and it ain't hurting recruiting.
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The media, fans, and other programs frustrated by how much power players have gotten through NIL loved the decision. I guarantee you prospective players aren't cheering a team telling a player kick rocks we ain't paying you. We challenged the monopoly on power players have gotten through NIL. And if you know anything about monopolies, those with the power don't like it when their power is limited. I also don't know how you can say it hasn't hurt recruiting. We don't know that. It's too early to know one way or the other.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Let me summarize you in this thread.

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TheDeeble said:
Let me summarize you in this thread.

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And again, you need to obtain the power to discern.
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The NFL doesn't prohibit NFL players from making money off of NIL deals. The existence of many NIL deals for ppl layers and coaches proves it. It doesn't interfere with those deals, either.

It prohibits NIL deals with a short list of SOME potential sponsors.


It's appalling that you aren't literate enough to stop using a subset as if it was entire population, statistically speaking.
 
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Has this forum drifted from the original question? or have I missed something? I guess it is to simple to ask but what are the consequences if they go with the State Law? expulsion from the SEC. If they conform to the SEC rules? They stay? or if they do both? They cannot?

The SEC has the power to do what they have the power to do, but other SEC schools have state laws close to Tennessee. If it means being blackballed by the NCAA and other Power 4 conferences/teams and kicked out of the SEC then it is like walking on broken glass barefooted.

Play the long game with this mess it will straighten itself out. We are not the only Team with State Laws that conflict with the SEC's rulebook.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Has this forum drifted from the original question? or have I missed something? I guess it is to simple to ask but what are the consequences if they go with the State Law? expulsion from the SEC. If they conform to the SEC rules? They stay? or if they do both? They cannot? The SEC has the power to do what they have the power to do, but other SEC schools have state laws close to Tennessee. If it means being blackballed by the NCAA and other Power 4 conferences/teams and kicked out of the SEC then it like walking on broken glass barefooted. Play the long game with this mess it will straighten itself out. We are not the only Team with State Laws that conflict with the SEC's rulebook.
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Exactly rght. The Nico situation shows athletes two things.

1. The NIL market is self regulating. .
If you ask for more than your perceived market value, you're going to get cut loose.

2. There are now effectively trades in CFB.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Exactly rght. The Nico situation shows athletes two things.

1. The NIL market is self regulating. .
If you ask for more than your perceived market value, you're going to get cut loose.

2. There are now effectively trades in CFB.
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You know what is funny, some groups expected Trump and Congress to fix this crap. They thought about it and after strumming up support to do it, they walked away.

Why? Congress can't even fix themselves much less NCAA Football.

This is a mess because the NCAA was too slow, too lazy, too incompetent to address this when it began. What's more they added to it with little policies on the Transfer Portal rules.

Geez they justified the need to get rid of them for once and all. They need to get a handle on the situation but they cannot do it because they have played games with rules for so many years.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
You know what is funny, some groups expected Trump and Congress to fix this crap. They thought about it and after strumming up support to do it, they walked away.

Why? Congress can't even fix themselves much less NCAA Football.

This is a mess because the NCAA was too slow, too lazy, too incompetent to address this when it began. What's more they added to it with little policies on the Transfer Portal rules.

Geez they justified the need to get rid of them for once and all. They need to get a handle on the situation but they cannot do it because they have played games with rules for so many years.
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I agree. The NCAA are incompetent control freaks. They didn't want the free transfers or NIL but they got it forced on them by the courts. They didn't want to stop counting junior college as NCAA time, but now the Pavia case forced that in them. Now they're stuck. Unless something changes quickly, the House case settlement is in jeopardy and there NCAA may face that going back to litigation. If that happens and the NCAA loses, it might bankrupt them.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
The NFL doesn't prohibit NFL players from making money off of NIL deals. The existence of many NIL deals for ppl layers and coaches proves it. It doesn't interfere with those deals, either.

It prohibits NIL deals with a short list of SOME potential sponsors.
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I'm glad to see you're finally admitting a CBA can interfere or prohibit NIL deals.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I'm glad to see you're finally admitting a CBA can interfere or prohibit NIL deals.t the same t
TheDeeble said:
I'm glad to see you're finally admitting a CBA can interfere or prohibit NIL deals.
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That's not factual.

You still need a dicruonsry and the ability to discern

You obviously don't understand the difference between "some" and "all".

That's a 3rd grade concept.

The existence of NFL players' and coaches'
NIL deals price it.
 
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