If Tennessee chooses state law over NIL pledge, it risks being kicked out of SEC

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Eric Moulds was investigated and had endorsement stripped for endorsing NITRO-Tech, which violated NFL endorsement policy.

When Baker Mayfield signed an investment and endorsement deal in a cannabis company the NFLPA issued an updated policy that players were not allowed to endorse such companies.

Before that the NFL and NFLPA issued a ban on other products including, as an example, cryptocurrencies and NFTs which they relaxed a few years after implementing the ban. There are more examples of these types of restrictions but frankly I’m not going to waste my time on them, because it is a moot point. The situations in the NFL vs what is likely to come online in the next few years for college athletes aren’t exactly comparable.

But what we can glean and what I’ve stated previously is NIL can and may be part of a collegiate athletics collective bargaining agreement once we get to that point. It doesn’t mean it will happen but given the legal system has already identified NIL is a form of compensation for competing in a university’s athletics programs not only is it difficult to imagine it won’t be part of the negotiations of a future CBA, it’s likely NIL will be the first issue on the docket for a CBA.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Eric Moulds was investigated and had endorsement stripped for endorsing NITRO-Tech, which violated NFL endorsement policy.

When Baker Mayfield signed an investment and endorsement deal in a cannabis company the NFLPA issued an updated policy that players were not allowed to endorse such companies.

Before that the NFL and NFLPA issued a ban on other products including, as an example, cryptocurrencies and NFTs which they relaxed a few years after implementing the ban. There are more examples of these types of restrictions but frankly I’m not going to waste my time on them, because it is a moot point. The situations in the NFL vs what is likely to come online in the next few years for college athletes aren’t exactly comparable.

But what we can glean and what I’ve stated previously is NIL can and may be part of a collegiate athletics collective bargaining agreement once we get to that point. It doesn’t mean it will happen but given the legal system has already identified NIL is a form of compensation for competing in a university’s athletics programs not only is it difficult to imagine it won’t be part of the negotiations of a future CBA, it’s likely NIL will be the first issue on the docket for a CBA.
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So a couple of outliers about substance abuse endorsements.

IF college gets a CBA, that's a long way off.
There are dozens of mines in the minefield to navigate first.

A few are employment status, student requirements vs employee status, unionization, possible replacing recruiting with a 131 FBS team draft, the House case settlement (if it ever happens), legal challenges to the House case settlement, and the potential for continued litigation against the NCAA in the House case if the settlement fails.

I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface here.
 
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The lawsuits will begin this summer. So it won’t take too long to establish what white and plowman have already figured out. In total it will probably take a few years to get there. The only way out of this is for Congress to legislate a carve out to an anti-trust exemption for the NCAA or whoever ends up running college sports. Which I don’t see the legislative branch having it in them to get something like that done.
 
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volbound1700 said:



Not sure if I agree with SC Orange but using a Southpark reference to disagree with him is silly considering the one that I just posted that agrees with his take.
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It's a versatile cartoon, what can I say? I was poking fun at the absurd and nonsensical comparisons he was making. The rulings are in place, and more are likely coming down the track at some point as things get hashed out and refined.
 
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It's a versatile cartoon, what can I say? I was poking fun at the absurd and nonsensical comparisons he was making. The rulings are in place, and more are likely coming down the track at some point as things get hashed out and refined.
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Depends. I am a fan of NIL because I don't trust NCAA. They hid Saban/Alabama misdeeds but nailed Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU, etc. They have always played favorites (I think more so with coaches versus schools).
 
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Depends. I am a fan of NIL because I don't trust NCAA. They hid Saban/Alabama misdeeds but nailed Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU, etc. They have always played favorites (I think more so with coaches versus schools).
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Oh, the NCAA was dirty with how their favorite coaches were coddled...no argument there.

Fact of the matter is that I don't care about NIL one way or the other at this point. They're not paying that out of my pocket (nor will they), so it's not my problem. That bothers one individual in particular, apparently, and I find that to be an ample source of free entertainment.

My point (and that of others) is that equating the previous college athlete compensation system to chattel slavery is absurd, for the reasons I outlined (and others that I likely missed). That's along the lines of equating the "Rape of Nanking" as perpetrated by Imperial Japan to an HOA disagreement about lot lines. There's no logical comparison, in terms of scale, scope, or impact on humanity.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Eric Moulds was investigated and had endorsement stripped for endorsing NITRO-Tech, which violated NFL endorsement policy.

When Baker Mayfield signed an investment and endorsement deal in a cannabis company the NFLPA issued an updated policy that players were not allowed to endorse such companies.

Before that the NFL and NFLPA issued a ban on other products including, as an example, cryptocurrencies and NFTs which they relaxed a few years after implementing the ban. There are more examples of these types of restrictions but frankly I’m not going to waste my time on them, because it is a moot point. The situations in the NFL vs what is likely to come online in the next few years for college athletes aren’t exactly comparable.

But what we can glean and what I’ve stated previously is NIL can and may be part of a collegiate athletics collective bargaining agreement once we get to that point. It doesn’t mean it will happen but given the legal system has already identified NIL is a form of compensation for competing in a university’s athletics programs not only is it difficult to imagine it won’t be part of the negotiations of a future CBA, it’s likely NIL will be the first issue on the docket for a CBA.
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The NFL and other pro leagues are a bit different from the NCAA as they are actual employees so the NFL has the power to do certain things... College players are basically interns. Now they are just paid interns.

The problem here is none of that though. Its this agreement they are trying to force on schools. basically an NDA saying you cant complain about me doing illegla crap.. something thats been proven to never hold up in a court of law. NDA's are not valid if they are covering up illegal activities. I can have you sign an agreement saying you wont tell my legit trade secrets to other companies. That will hold up in court. If I have you sign an agreement that you can't report me for crimes and can't sue me if I do wrong by you, it won't hold up in court. The reson people have gotten away wit hsuch NDA's over the years is the people signing them are either too scared or dont have the resources to litigate.

Trust me there are more schools in the background silently cheering on UT than there are hating it. There are a really small number of schools that benefit from what the 'commision' wants to do. Like 10 or so. Mostly everyone else gets boned. The funny thing is UT would be one of those schools that would benefit but they are fighting the good fight anyway. Most schools in the Big10 and SEC along with Notre Lame and a few others (FSU, North Carolina, Duke) have brands big enough that if this goes live all bets are off. They have machines that can pay well over 20 mil to just the football team (or basketball in the case of Duke and UNC) and still have another 20 mil to give the other sports. Schools outside of those in the SEC/ BIG 10 and the few other signature schools cannot. Most of them will end up cutting other scholarship sports altogether to make ends meet. Memphis ain't paying 20 mil to all its teams combined if they tried. Even some teams at the back end of the Big10 will have issues coming up with it.

Having no cap on how much you can pay players will be bad for college sports. It will destroy the parity the transfer portal and NIL created. That is what this fight is really about. Not the other themes people spread. They want to create their superleague and push the rest out making the rest of the colleges their development leagues.

If I was a school like say Colorado I would be screaming from the rafters my support of what UT is doing. Mostp eople dont know this. Colorado does not have al ot of NIL money. People thought losing his sons and Travis Hunter would set that team back to the stone ages and they might be right but for the wrong reasons. Most folks dont know how much bread Shedur and Travis were giving their teammates. They were making sure when the signed deals some money/benefits went to their teamates also. People weren't transferring to Colorado for the bag it was for the chance. Thats why so many high-profile guys (divas) transferred out of there and most of them have not done well.

People are also lost in this whole thing becuse UT is the poster child but there are other states in the process of passing similar laws and there are some iwht very similar laws already on the books. Funny enough 5 other SEC States (Missouri, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma) have similar laws already in effect. The aforementioned Colorado, along with Virginia and New York also have similar laws.

I'll attach some references to them.

  • Arkansas: Amended its NIL law in April 2023 to allow institutions and their supporting foundations to "identify, create, facilitate, and otherwise enable opportunities" for student-athletes.
  • Colorado: A proposed bill (HB25-1041) aims to expand NIL rights, allowing higher education institutions and athletic associations to directly compensate student-athletes for their NIL.
  • Louisiana: Amended its NIL law in June 2022 to allow colleges and boosters to facilitate NIL deals.
  • Missouri: Amended its NIL law in 2023 to prevent the NCAA from penalizing for protected NIL activities.
  • New York: Amended its NIL law in July 2023 to solidify protections for student-athletes and prevent the NCAA from penalizing them for NIL deals.
  • Oklahoma: An Executive Order in January 2025 permits institutions or authorized third parties to facilitate or pay current or prospective student-athletes for their NIL use, and importantly, prohibits the NCAA from penalizing Oklahoma institutions or individuals for engaging in authorized activities.
  • Texas: Texas's NIL law (effective July 1, 2021) states that schools cannot penalize athletes for state-compliant NIL activities.
  • Virginia: Modified its state NIL legislation in April 2024 to permit institutions to make direct payments to student-athletes for the use of their NIL and to bar the NCAA from penalizing them for it. This is a very direct parallel to Tennessee's approach.
Also this will be helpful to those that actually want info NIL Store | State-by-State Guide to NIL Laws: Is It Legal in Your State? article
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
You're conflating your False Equivalence with your Red Herring.

You're should be embarrassed about your never ending reveling in your love for exploitation . It's disgusting.
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You're just throwing words you don't understand together... You are the one that laid down the ultimate false equivalency comparing slavery to the state of college sports. What you did was whats called a straw man argument AKA the Fox News special. It's a very common tactic these days.

A straw man argument is a form of logical fallacy where someone misrepresents their opponent's argument, often by oversimplifying or exaggerating it, and then refutes the misrepresentation rather than the original argument. Essentially, they're arguing against a distorted version of their opponent's position, making it easier to defeat
 
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pimo1 said:
You're just throwing words you don't understand together... You are the one that laid down the ultimate false equivalency comparing slavery to the state of college sports. What you did was whats called a straw man argument AKA the Fox News special. It's a very common tactic these days.

A straw man argument is a form of logical fallacy where someone misrepresents their opponent's argument, often by oversimplifying or exaggerating it, and then refutes the misrepresentation rather than the original argument. Essentially, they're arguing against a distorted version of their opponent's position, making it easier to defeat
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That's B.S. I understand them quite well. Obviously, you don't.

Fox? That's a Non Sequitur. Funny how you don't understand logical fallacies the way you pretend.
 
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pimo1 said:
you are on crack dude.. I find this extended strawman argument extremely offensive. Here ill do the same riduculous comparison.

Whales breathe air
So do humans

Whales have blood
So do humans

Some whales have teeth
So do some humans

whales have complex cardiovascular systems
much like humans

Certain whales were openly hunted and persecuted and sold for profit
So were humans

this all skips over the main point.

You must have read that book how to lie with numbers at some point and took it to heart. Thats an extremely braindead way of comparing things to try to force a point.
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Other than the chains and whips and dogs and lynching and being forced against their will to work and it being about race, slavery and college football are exactly the same
 
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pimo1 said:
The NFL and other pro leagues are a bit different from the NCAA as they are actual employees so the NFL has the power to do certain things... College players are basically interns. Now they are just paid interns.

The problem here is none of that though. Its this agreement they are trying to force on schools. basically an NDA saying you cant complain about me doing illegla crap.. something thats been proven to never hold up in a court of law. NDA's are not valid if they are covering up illegal activities. I can have you sign an agreement saying you wont tell my legit trade secrets to other companies. That will hold up in court. If I have you sign an agreement that you can't report me for crimes and can't sue me if I do wrong by you, it won't hold up in court. The reson people have gotten away wit hsuch NDA's over the years is the people signing them are either too scared or dont have the resources to litigate.

Trust me there are more schools in the background silently cheering on UT than there are hating it. There are a really small number of schools that benefit from what the 'commision' wants to do. Like 10 or so. Mostly everyone else gets boned. The funny thing is UT would be one of those schools that would benefit but they are fighting the good fight anyway. Most schools in the Big10 and SEC along with Notre Lame and a few others (FSU, North Carolina, Duke) have brands big enough that if this goes live all bets are off. They have machines that can pay well over 20 mil to just the football team (or basketball in the case of Duke and UNC) and still have another 20 mil to give the other sports. Schools outside of those in the SEC/ BIG 10 and the few other signature schools cannot. Most of them will end up cutting other scholarship sports altogether to make ends meet. Memphis ain't paying 20 mil to all its teams combined if they tried. Even some teams at the back end of the Big10 will have issues coming up with it.

Having no cap on how much you can pay players will be bad for college sports. It will destroy the parity the transfer portal and NIL created. That is what this fight is really about. Not the other themes people spread. They want to create their superleague and push the rest out making the rest of the colleges their development leagues.

If I was a school like say Colorado I would be screaming from the rafters my support of what UT is doing. Mostp eople dont know this. Colorado does not have al ot of NIL money. People thought losing his sons and Travis Hunter would set that team back to the stone ages and they might be right but for the wrong reasons. Most folks dont know how much bread Shedur and Travis were giving their teammates. They were making sure when the signed deals some money/benefits went to their teamates also. People weren't transferring to Colorado for the bag it was for the chance. Thats why so many high-profile guys (divas) transferred out of there and most of them have not done well.

People are also lost in this whole thing becuse UT is the poster child but there are other states in the process of passing similar laws and there are some iwht very similar laws already on the books. Funny enough 5 other SEC States (Missouri, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma) have similar laws already in effect. The aforementioned Colorado, along with Virginia and New York also have similar laws.

I'll attach some references to them.

  • Arkansas: Amended its NIL law in April 2023 to allow institutions and their supporting foundations to "identify, create, facilitate, and otherwise enable opportunities" for student-athletes.
  • Colorado: A proposed bill (HB25-1041) aims to expand NIL rights, allowing higher education institutions and athletic associations to directly compensate student-athletes for their NIL.
  • Louisiana: Amended its NIL law in June 2022 to allow colleges and boosters to facilitate NIL deals.
  • Missouri: Amended its NIL law in 2023 to prevent the NCAA from penalizing for protected NIL activities.
  • New York: Amended its NIL law in July 2023 to solidify protections for student-athletes and prevent the NCAA from penalizing them for NIL deals.
  • Oklahoma: An Executive Order in January 2025 permits institutions or authorized third parties to facilitate or pay current or prospective student-athletes for their NIL use, and importantly, prohibits the NCAA from penalizing Oklahoma institutions or individuals for engaging in authorized activities.
  • Texas: Texas's NIL law (effective July 1, 2021) states that schools cannot penalize athletes for state-compliant NIL activities.
  • Virginia: Modified its state NIL legislation in April 2024 to permit institutions to make direct payments to student-athletes for the use of their NIL and to bar the NCAA from penalizing them for it. This is a very direct parallel to Tennessee's approach.
Also this will be helpful to those that actually want info NIL Store | State-by-State Guide to NIL Laws: Is It Legal in Your State? article
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I am starting to agree with a lot in this post. Now that the push against Tennessee is coming, the media is talking about the SEC leaving NCAA. Seems like SEC is taking up for Tennessee.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
That is illegal and unworkable.

The semester ends in December. Students can enroll in another school before Christmas. No sit outs after transfers. That is illegal. No limits on transfers - again, illegal. No penalty for getting hurt. That is discriminatory.
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Is there not already limits on transfers? Like you have to transfer during a certain window?
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Have you tried not being a fan of sickening exploitation of college sthletes.
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I hate that athletes weren’t able to profit in the past. However what we have currently isn’t right either. There needs to be guidelines in place and some of those need to protect student athletes from bad actors like street “agents” and the like.
 
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