Zakai Zeigler suing for 5th year

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LittleCat said:
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe he played during the Covid year, which didn’t count. He also had blood clots and only played 14 games in a season.

Explain to me how ZZ was cheated or mistreated by the ncaa during his four years.
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Last season was Stute’s free COVID year, to get another year he needs and received a waiver. Yes he played in 14 games, that’s too many to receive a medical redshirt, thus why he needed a special waiver. So if we are saying the limit of games for medical redshirts no longer applies and you can receive a waiver for additional games then what is that limit? 20? 25? 30? Zeigler missed games due to an ACL injury and a couple various games throughout other years with either illnesses or injuries, as I already stated Stute has played in more career games than Zeigler.
 
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LittleCat said:
fairness? How was he treated unfairly? If it was about money then he should have left UT and chased the bag elsewhere in years prior.

I believes he’s just using the lawsuit as a pretense so that he can just play another year of college ball. He knows he got his 4 years but he looks around at the confusion caused by the ncaa and thinks, “heck, I might as well sue too and it might even work”. No harm no foul. I get it.

But it’s lame to see all these athletes fighting for extra years when they have gotten their fair chance. You get 5 years typically to play 4 eligible seasons. ZZ got his 4 years in 4. Move along
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You answered your own question, other players are getting more years and more games than he did, thus more opportunities to make money. To him he sees that as not being fair, pretty simple.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Last season was Stute’s free COVID year, to get another year he needs and received a waiver. Yes he played in 14 games, that’s too many to receive a medical redshirt, thus why he needed a special waiver. So if we are saying the limit of games for medical redshirts no longer applies and you can receive a waiver for additional games then what is that limit? 20? 25? 30? Zeigler missed games due to an ACL injury and a couple various games throughout other years with either illnesses or injuries, as I already stated Stute has played in more career games than Zeigler.
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I don’t necessarily think Stute should play any more either, so what does that have to do with ZZ?

Again, explain to me the extenuating circumstances that should allow ZZ another year? I don’t believe there are any.
 
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LittleCat said:
I don’t necessarily think Stute should play any more either, so what does that have to do with ZZ?

Again, explain to me the extenuating circumstances that should allow ZZ another year? I don’t believe there are any.
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Again, your first part answered the second. This isn’t what’s your opinion as LittleCat, the fact is Stute is getting another year and in the eyes of someone like Zeigler as well as his lawyers if someone like that (there’s more) are receiving an additional year to earn money then that’s reason for the suit.

If nobody was getting waivers and 5th years there would be no case, but there are clearly some grounds.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You answered your own question, other players are getting more years and more games than he did, thus more opportunities to make money. To him he sees that as not being fair, pretty simple.
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And if had played during Covid or had a long term injury then he would probably merit another year. But he played in more than 30 games for 4 straight years. He got his time and games.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Again, your first part answered the second. This isn’t what’s your opinion as LittleCat, the fact is Stute is getting another year and in the eyes of someone like Zeigler as well as his lawyers if someone like that (there’s more) are receiving an additional year to earn money then that’s reason for the suit.

If nobody was getting waivers and 5th years there would be no case, but there are clearly some grounds.
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Those players are getting extra years because of the extenuating circumstances that ZZ didn’t experience. ZZ knows that. His lawyers know that.
 
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LittleCat said:
Those players are getting extra years because of the extenuating circumstances that ZZ didn’t experience. ZZ knows that. His lawyers know that.
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He missed regular sesson games and a postseason, same as other guys getting another year, how do you decide the random number of games that have to be missed for it to be ok?
 
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LittleCat said:
And if had played during Covid or had a long term injury then he would probably merit another year. But he played in more than 30 games for 4 straight years. He got his time and games.
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So, a long term injury last year gets him more money next year? Should players want to get injured just to have a chance to make more? There’s a problem.

But the 5 in 5 is about to pass after the House settlement. So, this class may be the only one not to benefit from it. College has changed the last few years, and this is now the landscape. We are talking real money for these decisions.
 
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You guys are weird that don’t want the 5th year to pass. He played with and against so many players that got extra years because of COVID.

The players that will use all 5 years I’d be willing to bet that majority would/will have barely played their first few seasons anyways. There will be more players like Cade who have played very sparingly, compared to ZZ who has played major minutes since he was a freshman. He is a rare circumstance. He has the talent and ability to play in the NBA, but it’s his size that will not allow him too. A player of his caliber that was 6’2+ would have already left for the NBA.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He missed regular sesson games and a postseason, same as other guys getting another year, how do you decide the random number of games that have to be missed for it to be ok?
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You continually ignore the questions I ask and keep speaking like ZZ is somehow being unfairly persecuted.

He missed 6 games at the end of the season and then played 36 the next year. Come on dude.
 
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Assuming he wins the lawsuit, I don’t think it’s a given that ZZ is back at Tennessee. There is no doubt that he loves it here and that he received bigger offers to transfer elsewhere after the 2024 E8 season. Just wonder if he would, understandably, use one last season to chase the biggest bag offered to him. The biggest bag won’t be the one Tennessee offers imo.

With that being said, it’s almost impossible to imagine a world where ZZ plays college hoops for a coach not named Rick Barnes. Maybe ZZ would be willing to take a pay cut for one last ride with CRB.
 
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College basketball has a serious problem with lack of name recognition to market. There's far too much turnover year to year for the general public to keep up. The NCAA would be wise to err on the side of guys like Zeigler who provide at least a little bit of continuity to the sport.

There's a reasonable debate to be had about whether ZZ should get a 5th year and if that might hurt things with Gillespie, but it's pretty rich for a blue team fan to come on this forum and lecture us on what should happen. Just seems like someone's afraid of Tennessee being good again next year.
 
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LittleCat said:
You continually ignore the questions I ask and keep speaking like ZZ is somehow being unfairly persecuted.

He missed 6 games at the end of the season and then played 36 the next year. Come on dude.
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Kerr Kriisa is about to enter his 6th year of college basketball, so I don’t much care for the idea that some people are more deserving of an extra year and some are not.
 
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LittleCat said:
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe he played during the Covid year, which didn’t count. He also had blood clots and only played 14 games in a season.

Explain to me how ZZ was cheated or mistreated by the ncaa during his four years.
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I'm not counting covid, so throw that out. Myles Stute played half the season his senior year. Was it unfortunate that he had his health issue? Absolutely. But by rule, he exceeded the game limit for participation to count towards a medical redshirt. So, like it or not, his situation is no more/less arbitrary than Zeigler's.

And I never said or suggested that ZZ was "mistreated or cheated by the NCAA during his four years", so you can drop the strawman argument. But to that point, ZZ missed the final regular season game and all of the postseason of his sophomore year, arguably the most important portion of the season. If the NCAA is going to liberally and arbitrarily apply it's decision-making on eligibility in Stute's case in spite of him having easily surpassed the amount of games played to qualify for a medical redshirt, what makes Zeigler's argument for a 5th year any less baseless?
 
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LittleCat said:
And if had played during Covid or had a long term injury then he would probably merit another year. But he played in more than 30 games for 4 straight years. He got his time and games.
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You really can't see the forest for the trees in this instance. You've literally been handed all the answers to the questions you've asked, yet you just continue to bang your head on the glass.

This comes down to your personal preference, which is for no one to get more than 4 years. The issue is that plenty of kids are getting more than 4 years, so why not Zeigler? Why not anyone else who dares to fight the system?

We get it, you dont like it. But you're trying to push your own preference and apply it to situations that have real merit and precedence, and you're simply losing sight of that fact because it contradicts your own preference. ZZ...like it or not...has a case because of decisions the NCAA has already ruled on. He didn't do it. It isn't his fault that their own inconsistencies have afforded him the opportunity to push the envelope.
 
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LittleCat said:
And if had played during Covid or had a long term injury then he would probably merit another year. But he played in more than 30 games for 4 straight years. He got his time and games.
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This part is what the courts will have to deal with, you asked why ZZ was suing and got the answer multiple times.
 
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Just a reminder...here's all the 5th year guys that just played at Kentucky

Amari Williams
Koby Brea
Andrew Carr
Jaxson Robinson
Lamont Butler
Kerr Kriisa

all of them played no fewer than 14 games in any season (except Kriisa), Butler played at least 27 in every single year of college too.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Just a reminder...here's all the 5th year guys that just played at Kentucky

Amari Williams
Koby Brea
Andrew Carr
Jaxson Robinson
Lamont Butler
Kerr Kriisa

all of them played no fewer than 14 games in any season (except Kriisa), Butler played at least 27 in every single year of college too.
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Those were all covid guys, which LC seems to excuse, even in the case of non-UK guys, so that isn’t really the issue at hand.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Those were all covid guys, which LC seems to excuse, even in the case of non-UK guys, so that isn’t really the issue at hand.
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True, but it sets a precedents.

Seems the lawsuit is alleging the NCAA’s rule permitting four seasons of eligibility within a five-year eligibly window is an unlawful restraint of trade under federal and state antirust laws.

And the NCAA permitting an extra 5th year because of the COVID season, one in which most teams still played 25+ games and March Madness occurred will be relevant in the case.

But in all honesty I believe this is driven by Tennessee and their failed case with Alberto Osuna.
 
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