Israel vs Palestinians

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n_huffhines said:
I mean, this is over-simplifying it (and please fact-check me), but the Romans took over and the Christians are the ones who ran Jews out. Literally banned them in the 2nd century. Islam comes into the picture centuries later, and a caliphate peacefully captured Jerasulem after the decline of the Byzantine empire. The children of Israel didn't come back until my Dad's lifetime to war with the Palestinians who are the distant remnants of a peaceful capturing of Jerasulem.
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It wasn't Christians who ran the jews out. The Romans were killing Christians.
 
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volbound1700 said:
and Hindus and Buddhist.

People forget that most of the Middle East was Christian before it was Muslim and a lot of those Christians experienced major persecution or genocide at the hands of Muslims.

Go look at Middle East pre-Islam such as 500 AD.
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Now do Christians and their wars. And Buddhists and theirs. Etc.
 
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dalton_vol said:
What I'm saying is that jews and Muslims, or descendants of Muslims have always fought. They've fought before the crusades and will continue to fight, no amount of protests or agreements will provide a lasting peace until after Christ's return. I don't remember the exact genealogy of Ishmael's descendants but They've been battling the Jewish people for centuries.
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You mean the ancestors of Muslims, and no, you can't tie them together in any meaningful way. You're just guessing at something that you didn't realize wasn't supported.

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n_huffhines said:
You mean the ancestors of Muslims, and no, you can't tie them together in any meaningful way. You're just guess at something that you didn't realize wasn't supported.

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You can’t tie Muslims and their ancestors together in a meaningful way?

That’s an odd argument. If all of Israel declared themselves to be atheists today, would your timeline on the conflict reset? Obviously not
 
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n_huffhines said:
You mean the ancestors of Muslims, and no, you can't tie them together in any meaningful way. You're just guess at something that you didn't realize wasn't supported.

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It goes off the fact that Islam cites to a line through Ishmael and the story in the Old Testament. However, I think the who Jews and Palestine fight refers to a passage where God commanded the Israelites, in Joshua, to cleanse the land or the ancestors will continue to harass them. Not sure if it just refers to Ancient Canaan or all the people that have lived their forever.

Ishmael in Islam - Wikipedia

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Why a Good God Commanded the Israelites to Destroy the Canaanites

Why would a good God command the Israelites to “utterly destroy” every person living in the Canaanite cities he was giving them? Here are four principles to remember as you think about this issue.
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n_huffhines said:
The Romans were killing Christians at one point, but it has nothing to do with whether or not what I said was true. If you took a second to fact check it instead of making a fool of yourself, JFC. How delusional can you be?

The Roman emperor Hadrian renamed Jerusalem and banned Jews.

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Sounds like more reason to send the rest of the Palestinians to their home, Syria (Jordan would also be acceptable).
 
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EasternVol said:
If I aim at the house and launch, I have targeted them plain and simple. You're doing a dishonest semantic dance to try to get the blood off the killers' hands.
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I believe it was you (may have been Ras) who tried comparing the Ukrainian civilian deaths to Palestinians in an effort to show how evil you found Israel’s actions to be.

Either way, it’s worthwhile to note the obvious difference. Ukrainian’s sent their women and children away to protect them. Palestinian’s refuse to do so. Even worse, Hamas attempts to prevent the evacuation of people from war zones. A move you support.

So in your mind, if a group of people knows they’re at war, refuses to evacuate women and children, you believe the blame is not on the people using their own family for political gain? Rather it is solely on the other side?
 
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EasternVol said:
Christians drew first blood in plenty of wars too, as did Buddhists etc.
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Not sure about that but in the religious war from Islam, Islam drew first blood against all of them as well as Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians (which was the faith of Sassanid Persia which they wiped out and only a small minority is left in Iran), etc.

Islam's own Holy Text, the Koran, actively encourages religious wars and mistreatments of Infidels.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I believe it was you (may have been Ras) who tried comparing the Ukrainian civilian deaths to Palestinians in an effort to show how evil you found Israel’s actions to be.

Either way, it’s worthwhile to note the obvious difference. Ukrainian’s sent their women and children away to protect them. Palestinian’s refuse to do so. Even worse, Hamas attempts to prevent the evacuation of people from war zones. A move you support.

So in your mind, if a group of people knows they’re at war, refuses to evacuate women and children, you believe the blame is not on the people using their own family for political gain? Rather it is solely on the other side?
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You believe incorrectly. Your comparison is trash. Your assertion of what I support is a figment of your imagination.
What is true is that those who intentionally kill are responsible for the lives they take.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Not sure about that but in the religious war from Islam, Islam drew first blood against all of them as well as Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians (which was the faith of Sassanid Persia which they wiped out and only a small minority is left in Iran), etc.

Islam's own Holy Text, the Koran, actively encourages religious wars and mistreatments of Infidels.
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Not sure about that? Check the countries the West colonized. There are more than a few examples.
How many of those religious wars were about religion?
 
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volbound1700 said:
It is just bad mentality of modern society. I actually hate it and prefer how people looked at the world and these items 200 years ago.

To compare it to sports, I don't root for Alabama or Georgia when Tennessee does things that I disagree with or is in the wrong. People today will defend US enemies. I am Christian and American. That is MY TEAM. Even if I am in the wrong, I am going to fight for them. I don't care about these countries that mark me as enemies like Russia, China, Iran, etc. They are to me like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, etc. They are our rivals. We don't defend them, we don't rout for them.

As a Christian American, I could care less about Palestinian Muslims who wiped out my Christian Ancestors that lived there. Go Vols, Go America! Boo Palestine, Boo Alabama. There :).
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Lololol
 
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EasternVol said:
Your assertion of what I support is a figment of your imagination.
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You openly opposed the evacuation of women and children from northern Palestine near the beginning of the war. I can find posts later and bump if needed.

But I think we both know that’s true.
 
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volbound1700 said:
and Hindus and Buddhist.

People forget that most of the Middle East was Christian before it was Muslim and a lot of those Christians experienced major persecution or genocide at the hands of Muslims.

Go look at Middle East pre-Islam such as 500 AD.
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True. The middle east made great contributions to society pre Islam, but now, they just haven't evolved at all. Besides providing oil, has the Muslim world been responsible for any great breakthroughs in science, engineering, medicine, ect over the last 100 years? Nope!
 
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norrislakevol said:
True. The middle east made great contributions to society pre Islam, but now, they just haven't evolved at all. Besides providing oil, has the Muslim world been responsible for any great breakthroughs in science, engineering, medicine, ect over the last 100 years? Nope!
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They have done stuff, granted some of it originated with the conquered people but Arab world wasn't always chaotic.
 
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