Israel vs Palestinians

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NashVol11 said:
Also, what? Why would you charge someone with rape if there's no evidence of rape
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Not what I said. The point is if an old man abducts a young girl, I don’t drop in the comments and immediately jump to his defense.

Hamas abducted an infant and you’re going out of your way to cry about how you’ve not seen the evidence that Hamas killed the kid.

So do you do the same with creepy old men? Do you immediately jump to their defense or is this just a Hamas thing?
 
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NashVol11 said:
The conversation was about the claim of strangled babies and whether there is any evidence to back that up (nope). That has nothing to do with "being determined to take Hamas' word," not at all a "weird take," nothing to do with whose fault any death is. You keep spouting irrelevant bull**** rather than just agreeing there's zero evidence
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There is not "zero evidence." There have been plenty of news reports out there.

It is completely reasonable for one to question the veracity of the source of the reporting (the IDF), and even to conclude that they don't believe the evidence because of the source, but saying that the source of evidence is not credible is very different than saying there is no evidence.

Evidence is evidence. The weight of that evidence, and whether or not it should be believed? That is up to whomever is judging that evidence.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They've only been fighting for like 70 years. This isn't Biblical.

Are you confusing the Crusades, or something? That was Christians vs. Muslims.
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Nope, they been fight for centuries. Not confusing any crusades. Granted the names have changed, but I'm talking back to Abraham.
 
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Vol8188 said:
One act has obvious intent. The other does not.

Unless you think Hamas accidentally abducted an infant
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Thinking especially at this point that there's no intent by the IDF to kill non combatants is unbelievably naive or just dim. Most who say that are just lying because they know better. The IDF is very well aware that there are civilians in the buildings, markets, tents, etc. that they attack, and that's not to mention sniping women, children and old men carrying white flags.
 
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bamawriter said:
Do you believe that the civilians were Israel's targets? Because there really is no question that Israeli civilians were Hamas' targets.
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They were where the IDF aimed and fired at so they were targets. If I want to kill one person who's at home with his extended family of 18 others and I bomb the home, then I have targeted 19 people.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Arabs are not the same thing as Muslims, either.
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I know. There are Christian Palestinians who are getting their **** blown up right now.

I'm just trying to figure out what he's talking about because I'm pretty sure Palestinians can't really be classified as a group the children of Israel have been warring with for centuries.
 
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EasternVol said:
They were where the IDF aimed and fired at so they were targets. If I want to kill one person who's at home with his extended family of 18 others and I bomb the home, then I have targeted 19 people.
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If that person is using his extended family as human shields, you have not targeted them. He has intentionally placed them in harm's way.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I know. There are Christian Palestinians who are getting their **** blown up right now.

I'm just trying to figure out what he's talking about because I'm pretty sure Palestinians can't really be classified as a group the children of Israel have been warring with for centuries.
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If "Palestinians" aren't who "Israel" (either the people group or the modern boundary-defined state) has been fighting with for centuries, who has Israel been fighting?

If it isn't the those who now identify as "Palestinians", wouldn't whomever it was be the ones who have a claim to the land currently claimed by Palestine?
 
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NashVol11 said:
And may well have been killed by an Israeli airstrike, rather than the creative strangling story that has absolutely zero evidence to back it up
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Even if he was killed by an airstrike, does that make Hamas any LESS responsible? What kind of monster kidnaps an infant in the first place? I mean, what the absolute fudge is the justification for that? Even if Hamas (and its American apologists) claim to be battling „Zionism“, what they exactly did the toddlers to be be branded Zionists? Did they vote for Netanyahu? Did they help construct a settlement in the West Bank.
You cannot make any defense of this; but please feel free to try
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Even if he was killed by an airstrike, does that make Hamas any LESS responsible? What kind of monster kidnaps an infant in the first place? I mean, what the absolute fudge is the justification for that? Even if Hamas (and its American apologists) claim to be battling „Zionism“, what they exactly did the toddlers to be be branded Zionists? Did they vote for Netanyahu? Did they help construct a settlement in the West Bank.
You cannot make any defense of this; but please feel free to try
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At some point you will realize that comparing infant body count is not a good argument for someone supporting Israel
 
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NashVol11 said:
At some point you will realize that comparing infant body count is not a good argument for someone supporting Israel
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So you totally avoided the question. Typical terrorist apologist.
And even if Israel HAD killed infants, how does that justify Hamas doing so? One crime justifies a crime in response? That‘s what your going with???????
 
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OrangeTsar said:
So you totally avoided the question. Typical terrorist apologist.
And even if Israel HAD killed infants, how does that justify Hamas doing so? One crime justifies a crime in response? That‘s what your going with???????
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If you were less dense you might realize that "what kind of monster attacks a child, wtf is even the justification" is unbelievably ironic and I addressed that directly. Israel has probably killed 100x as many children as they've lost
 
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NashVol11 said:
The only link that said anything just said "IDF said so and didn't provide evidence," just like "beheaded babies" and a million other things they've made up
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Funny how you fail to believe stuff stated by the IDF but you will uncritically quote Hamas claiming that Israel has killed eleventy million babies riding around in Ambulances since Saturday
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Funny how you fail to believe stuff stated by the IDF but you will uncritically quote Hamas claiming that Israel has killed eleventy million babies riding around in Ambulances since Saturday
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Israel admitted to both the killing of Hind Rajab and the ambulance incident, after the IDF initially lied about them (noticing a pattern?). Without easily disproven propaganda you don't have anything to say
 
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NashVol11 said:
If you were less dense you might realize that "what kind of monster attacks a child, wtf is even the justification" is unbelievably ironic and I addressed that directly. Israel has probably killed 100x as many children as they've lost
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If you were less dense, you would see I didn’t use the word „attack“ but „kidnap“. Kidnapping involves cold and calculating premeditation and is a universe away from killing someone accidentally in a war zone.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
If you were less dense, you would see I didn’t use the word „attack“ but „kidnap“. Kidnapping involves cold and calculating premeditation and is a universe away from killing someone accidentally in a war zone.
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"Accidentally" shot 335 rounds at a 6-year-old

Israel claimed that there were not any troops present in the neighborhood and denied carrying out the attack. However, this was refuted by The Washington Post and Sky News's investigations relying on satellite imagery and visual evidence, which concluded that a number of Israeli tanks were indeed present and one had likely fired 335 rounds on the car that Rajab and her family had been in, with tank operators being able to see that the car had civilians including children in it.
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Ritzwatch said:
If "Palestinians" aren't who "Israel" (either the people group or the modern boundary-defined state) has been fighting with for centuries, who has Israel been fighting?

If it isn't the those who now identify as "Palestinians", wouldn't whomever it was be the ones who have a claim to the land currently claimed by Palestine?
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I mean, this is over-simplifying it (and please fact-check me), but the Romans took over and the Christians are the ones who ran Jews out. Literally banned them in the 2nd century. Islam comes into the picture centuries later, and a caliphate peacefully captured Jerasulem after the decline of the Byzantine empire. The children of Israel didn't come back until my Dad's lifetime to war with the Palestinians who are the distant remnants of a peaceful capturing of Jerasulem.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I mean, this is over-simplifying it (and please fact-check me), but the Romans took over and the Christians are the ones who ran Jews out. Literally banned them in the 2nd century. Islam comes into the picture centuries later, and a caliphate peacefully captured Jerasulem after the decline of the Byzantine empire. The children of Israel didn't come back until my Dad's lifetime to war with the Palestinians who are the distant remnants of a peaceful capturing of Jerasulem.
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A six month siege isn’t peaceful.
 
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