White House 'actively looking at' suspending habeas corpus

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NorthDallas40 said:
I gave Trump props on closing the inflow of illegals a page or so ago. It was a major plank on his campaign platform and they quickly got that task accomplished.

However they have continually ran a foul of the law and constitution on the removal process. As I’ve said in other threads just call balls and strikes.
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Yeah, all for the Trump admin closing the inflow.

Im for aggressively getting those out here illegally. But Im not trampling on the Constitution to get there...
 
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HeuperDrive said:
This thread shows that there are plenty of Americans who'd happily accept a country without a shred of due process, as long as Trump told them to do so

Jonestown level cult behavior lol
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Do you remember the last time suspension of habeas corpus was enforced? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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And as I said earlier W tried this with the Gitmo MCA courts and got thumped by SCOTUS in multiple rulings.

Suspension of habeas corpus is an extreme infringement on civil liberties and should require more than some dude scanning his social media while on the crapper at midnight and having a really bad idea.
 
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You don't even have to go through all of this. The Trump administration is already trying to cut illegals off from everything. No welfare, no SS, ect. He should focus more on this area so you have to arrest far less people and can continue to focus on the real shiz heads here. Use the old Democrat idea of going after the employers of illegals, and actually enforce it. Create an instant check system (like the gun check system for potential employers so they can just download an app and scan a QR code) Children don't receive education unless they are here legally. Housing may not be provided for illegals. Take away any remaining incentive and there will be streams of illegals crossing the borders to get back home.
 
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norrislakevol said:
You don't even have to go through all of this. The Trump administration is already trying to cut illegals off from everything. No welfare, no SS, ect. He should focus more on this area so you have to arrest far less people and can continue to focus on the real shiz heads here. Use the old Democrat idea of going after the employers of illegals, and actually enforce it. Create an instant check system (like the gun check system for potential employers so they can just download an app and scan a QR code) Children don't receive education unless they are here legally. Housing may not be provided for illegals. Take away any remaining incentive and there will be streams of illegals crossing the borders to get back home.
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The system already exists. eVerify. Just enforce it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No it isn’t an invasion. There is no declaration of war by Congress on an invading Army. That is the context necessary to invoke both the alien clause already done by Trump and suspension writ of habeas corpus now being spoken of by that idiot Miller in all prior use cases.
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I am not supportive of suspending habeas corpus, but the dilution of "invasion" used in the AEA is not correct as well. The use of the AEA is not limited to a declared war. The President has the power and authority to declare an "invasion or predatory incursion" in the AEA language.
 
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CobbVol said:
I am not supportive of suspending habeas corpus, but the dilution of "invasion" used in the AEA is not correct as well. The use of the AEA is not limited to a declared war. The President has the power and authority to declare an "invasion or predatory incursion" in the AEA language.
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So this is basically Trump’s rationale for invoking the AEA. I’m going to guess that in the near future his attorney’s will get the opportunity to argue that basis in front of SCOTUS
 
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tbh said:
You forgot this one:

*Let them adhere to established H-2A and H-2B guest worker programs instead of skirting the law by being here illegally.

The otherwise law-abiding folks wouldn't have cause to be sent home if they entered legally. But you already knew that.
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Those are programs for seasonal workers. I'm guessing this may work for you if you clean your home and laundry seasonally. :cool:
 
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Like I said during Covid, why even have a Constitution if it can be violated/suspended at the whims of leadership? Might as well shred it up and throw it in a fireplace.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So this is basically Trump’s rationale for invoking the AEA. I’m going to guess that in the near future his attorney’s will get the opportunity to argue that basis in front of SCOTUS
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I believe that is their thought process. Since the President has the power to invoke the AEA for invasions or predatory incursions that threaten public safety, that (public safety) is also a condition in the Constitution to suspend habeas. I guess the courts will have to decide if habeas is always available to individuals under the AEA.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
It is supposed to be hard for the government to detain CITIZENS. People without authorization to be here in the first place have no right to attempt to demand rights that they wouldn’t have had they not committed the crime of illegal immigration in the first place. You cannot use the fruits of your crime to attempt to avoid the consequences of your crime. A bank robber cannot use his stolen funds to pay his defense attorney. Same thing here
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Living here in the US without proper authorization is NOT a crime. It's a civil violation.

Big difference.
 
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CobbVol said:
I believe that is their thought process. Since the President has the power to invoke the AEA for invasions or predatory incursions that threaten public safety, that (public safety) is also a condition in the Constitution to suspend habeas. I guess the courts will have to decide if habeas is always available to individuals under the AEA.
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Last count I saw was Trump is 0-2. I absolutely believe it’s headed to SCOTUS which is where it belongs I think since it’s a national issue
 
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Activist judges ruling in bad faith will lead to extremes. Trump was elected in part to get rid of the illegal dog****. Should never even have gotten to this point. You cannot share a country with those who want to watch it burn.
 
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MontyPython said:
Those are programs for seasonal workers. I'm guessing this may work for you if you clean your home and laundry seasonally. :cool:
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I clean my house and mow my lawn. Just because you may not care to, doesn't automatically mean the rest of us should have to put up with illegals on account of your own choices. I'm sure you can find someone to do either for the elevated minimum wages for which you likely clamored.

I'm sure that if the avenues and incentives for being here illegally are taken away, those wishing to work here can work something out wherein they take turns among family members (seasonally, of course).
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
There is no difference, you embarrassing dullard.
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You might wanna brush up on basic Civics 101 bro. Alternatively, get in trouble like me and come to understand the difference.

Yes, there is a key difference between a crime and a civil violation. Crimes are offenses against society, typically prosecuted by the state, and can result in jail or prison time, fines, or other sanctions. Civil violations, on the other hand, are disputes between individuals or organizations, often involving financial compensation or specific actions.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

1. Nature of the Offense:

  • Crime:
    A violation of a criminal law, which is intended to protect society as a whole.
  • Civil Violation:
    A violation of a civil law, which typically involves disputes between individuals or organizations over rights, property, or obligations.
 
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MontyPython said:
Living here in the US without proper authorization is NOT a crime. It's a civil violation.

Big difference.
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It is against the LAW. Hence it is illegal. And they are CONTINUING to break the law every single second they remain here. Civil or criminal has no bearing as they are not entering the US correctional system. They are being detained temporarily before being deported. So they are not suffering CRIMINAL consequences. But the only way they cease to be breaking the law is to get on a plane and say goodbye
 
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OrangeTsar said:
It is against the LAW. Hence it is illegal. And they are CONTINUING to break the law every single second they remain here. Civil or criminal has no bearing as they are not entering the US correctional system. They are being detained temporarily before being deported. So they are not suffering CRIMINAL consequences. But the only way they cease to be breaking the law is to get on a plane and say goodbye
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You say all this like breaking the law is some giant taboo. I knowingly and willfully break the law every single day. Speed limit says 50 I go 55… like nearly everyone else.

Whooooopdeeedoooo.

Cops look at me and I wave. They wave back.

I’m a giant lawbreaker man. ****ing rebel.

Perhaps the source of your animus is that you just hate brown skinned people?
 
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