Fulmer is proud of the University

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LWSVOL said:
Anderson lost his influence when he pushed for Pruitt hire. FYI... Haslam's are back in the saddle... IMO

Now they all maintain some sort of influence as long as their dollars continue to flow. But they don't either have the sway they once did.. I'm not sure there is a single voice among them now that had the sway that Jim Haslam had 15-20 years ago.
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Wait... I thought the Haslam's were the reason for the "Decade of Dysfunction"? How are we doing good with them "back in the saddle" (This is half sarcasm, btw)
 
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fossilfiction said:
So many people here want Tennessee back to the Fulmer year's of dominance yet spit in his face even when it's a happy fluff piece. He's gone, won't be back, those who define his time as AD as his legacy are wrong.
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His time as AD really damaged his reputation... that being said, you won't here me say a bad word about the man... his teams brought me a lot of joy as a child (Natty included)
 
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utvolpj said:
Sorry but he just needs to quit talking. He's done enough the past few years to damage the program
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I think your statement is interesting. Was there turmoil surrounding his tenure as AD? Yes. However, Fulmer is still highly visible within many aspects of the University of Tennessee. The current administration has no issues with him being actively involved. He damaged the program because he hired Pruitt? No one can be responsible for a lone wolf who runs rampant. I think he’s earned the right to show love for his institution.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
You shouldn’t talk sports in public either given your takes, but I don’t clamor in every thread to have you banned.

You would absolutely be outraged if a reporter called Fulmer up and asked for a comment on the Nico situation if he responded, “no comment.” You’d be screaming and crying about how he threw Heupel and the program under the bus.

The probation didn’t cost much since we got to get out of an 8 figure buyout for a horrible coach who you no doubt defended vociferously, and it pales in comparison to the money Fulmer helped generate winning conference titles as a player, assistant, and head coach. We are talking hundreds of millions there. Also he was the guy who locked Rick Barnes in when he almost went to UCLA, so even his stint as AD was not a total failure to the point that he should be exiled and given a gag order.
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I wouldn't think twice about it if he said "no comment". BTW, I always thought Pruitt was a joke.

And no, Randy Boyd stepped up on Barnes. Fulmer was willing to let him go

You're just making it up as you go
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
His time as AD really damaged his reputation... that being said, you won't here me say a bad word about the man... his teams brought me a lot of joy as a child (Natty included)
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I think holding the man's legacy in a negative light and forgetting is roles as a student, player, ga, and coach is overly stained by him being made AD is wrong. I don't think people can want the glory years and seriously be spitting on those who lead the glory years.
 
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Fulmer has way more pros than cons in his Vol career its just that most of the cons came at the end of his career and most remember those. Should have retired earlier than he did and left on his own terms and never should have been hired as the AD.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Randy, Donde, Danny and Josh all feel its appropriate and invite him to be there and speak anytime.

PS: they welcome him representing the university at any time as well.
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As well they should.
 
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Fulmer is a VFL and should be free to share his thoughts about the program. I also think he wants the best for the program. With that said, Fulmer was never a great game day coach and he is partially responsible for Kiffin through Pruitt due to his decline in performance his last 5-6 years and hiring Pruitt as an AD. If Fulmer would have been more proactive in making improvements at the end of his coaching tenure and paved the way for a better coaching transition we would have never had the decade + of dysfunction. He is a good person and VFL though and I’m sure had the best intentions.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Of course Fulmer has done more than ANYONE in this forum. He has also been paid exponentially more than anyone in this forum by the university. How much did probation cost the University?

Yes. In public he shouldn't be talking about Tennessee football
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Not in this forum but Cut did more.

He was basically average without him.

Team immediately goes from 5-6 in 05 to 9-3 in 06 then 10-4 in 07 and cut leaves and he immediately goes back to 5-7 and steps down as coach in 08.

That big of a swing points to it all being Cut. We didn’t barely drop. We went from not bowl eligible to 9 and 10 wins to back being not bowl eligible the second he leaves.
 
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I will say this: for as much hate as John Currie gets - mainly do to the football search fiasco - he was a much better AD than Phil. Currie's one hire (Vitello) is still here and doing extremely well. Hart's second chance hire in basketball (Barnes) is still here and doing well. All of Phil's hires fell flat on their faces, and he nearly lost us Coach Barnes.

For as much **** as ADDW gets here and other places, he's the best AD we've had in a very, very long time. People who complain about him should be careful what they wish for.
 
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Tnphil said:
Till this day I can't believe we fired Fulmer, paid him millions to go away from the 1 program he was in charge of....Then a few years later hired him to 'oversee' the entire athletic department. You just couldn't make that up. And some people wondered why we were so dysfunctional.
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Nah, the dysfunctional element of all things ORANGE are deeply rooted in their arrogance as evidenced by their entire posture on MOST historical issues. Always heard every team has them, we do for sure. Not all value systems are created equal.
 
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KTrain said:
Great O-Line coach, Great HC as long as Cutcliffe was there leading from the side. Went out on a slide sans Cutcliffe and was an accidental AD that just worsened the end of what was a good start in a career. Like you I think he still loves UT he gave his all but was just not a great HC without the right ppl around him and UT gave so much to him so I can see why he loves UT. He never was highly sought after at the end by other teams that says a lot IMO.
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"Not a great head coach without the right ppl around him..." that's literally every good head coach ever. That's why they are good coaches, they hire the right people around them.
 
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NEO said:
Not in this forum but Cut did more.

He was basically average without him.

Team immediately goes from 5-6 in 05 to 9-3 in 06 then 10-4 in 07 and cut leaves and he immediately goes back to 5-7 and steps down as coach in 08.

That big of a swing points to it all being Cut. We didn’t barely drop. We went from not bowl eligible to 9 and 10 wins to back being not bowl eligible the second he leaves.
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Cut was a huge part of the equation… but we also won about 10 games a year without Cut from 1999-2004.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Anderson lost his influence when he pushed for Pruitt hire. FYI... Haslam's are back in the saddle... IMO

Now they all maintain some sort of influence as long as their dollars continue to flow. But they don't either have the sway they once did.. I'm not sure there is a single voice among them now that had the sway that Jim Haslam had 15-20 years ago.
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Didn’t CPF hint around that it was actually up to Haslam or that Haslam had the final word to Hamilton firing him?
 
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LWSVOL said:
the offense was really good when Fulmer was in charge of it 1989-1992... he stayed involved in 1993 as David transitioned into OC duties. Not trying to change your mind, just stating facts...
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Johnny never really got things going consistently until he gave Fulmer the OC job. That gets forgotten by many.
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A lot of people forget or didn’t know that the offense we ran at the end of Major’s tenure and all the way through Fulmer’s tenure was installed by Fulmer’s short time predecessor at the OC position. We ran that for two decades.
 
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Tnphil said:
Till this day I can't believe we fired Fulmer, paid him millions to go away from the 1 program he was in charge of....Then a few years later hired him to 'oversee' the entire athletic department. You just couldn't make that up. And some people wondered why we were so dysfunctional.
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I blame Dipetrio for all of that. His laise fare Leadership put a chancellor in that never should have been. Then, to placate the big donor(s), placed Phil as an advisor to himself as president. The bad look for coach Fulmer was a few years earlier and the backlash from Vol fans not wanting him to have a job as advisor to Dipetrio for insurance .
 
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#1fulmerite said:
As quoted in the article below:


Former coach Phillip Fulmer is “proud of the stance we took as a university “. He should know. There were a few QB controversies he was involved in but he always seemed to pick the right QB to lead us.

www.knoxnews.com

How Phillip Fulmer would handle Tennessee quarterbacks Joey Aguilar, Jake Merklinger

Phillip Fulmer leaned on Peyton Manning, Casey Clausen and Erik Ainge as new quarterbacks. Here's his advice for Tennessee's current QB situation.
www.knoxnews.com

He also leaned on some greats that were freshman that turned out to be stellar for us!
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Cutcliffe recruited and developed every great QB under Fulmer. Let's not re-write history. Fulmer was smart enough to stay out of Cut's way, but his general ineffectiveness was shown once Cut left.

utvolpj said:
Sorry but he just needs to quit talking. He's done enough the past few years to damage the program
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Amen,

LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Let’s say he takes your advice. If someone asks him to comment on the situation and he responds, “no comment,” how do you think that comes off? You’d be pissed that he threw Heupel under the bus.

Aside from the 152 wins he had, there is no winning for Fulmer with some. The guy devoted most of a 50 year chunk of his life to the program and delivered the only national championship you will ever see. I think he earned the right to comment if asked a question about it.
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He was paid a hefty salary for the time he 'devoted to' Tennessee. It's called a job, and he was paid more money than most people ever make. I'd say he and the university are square.
 
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