President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

Actually, United States v. Wong Van Ark is the precedent, which was set in 1898. The 14th Amendment really doesn't leave any wiggle room. It hasn't always been argued in both directions. That is a precedent that is now 127 years old.
And precedents set have been wrong and changed correct.?
 

I am just trying to explore the history of EOs alongside current grievances and what can be done to reduce ability of presidents to govern via EO.
We don't like the current arrangement or the current mechanism for combating bad EOs.
 
Beats having a costume bunny escorting you around so you don’t get asked tough questions. Or pushed out by your own party.
Not by much. Best thing they could have done was push out Biden. Now the gop should have the guts to do the same

You're seriously having a difficult time showing where Trump is a commanding mental leap from Biden. That doesn't tell you anything?
 
I am just trying to explore the history of EOs alongside current grievances and what can be done to reduce ability of presidents to govern via EO.
We don't like the current arrangement or the current mechanism for combating bad EOs.

The second best option that requires no new legislation or constitutional changes is for congress to actually do their jobs.
 
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And precedents set have been wrong and changed correct.?
The 14th Amendment really is crystal clear on birthright citizenship. That's not a hill anyone should want to die on. The Trump Administration knows their case is a loser. They just want to show their base that they at least tried to end "anchor babies." It's political theater.
 
This clip belongs here. It's melting my brain. The journalist tries so hard not to humiliate Trump and Trump is hellbent on making himself look like an absolute bozo. I cannot believe anybody thinks this dude has a handle on anything.

The photoshop was so fake that I felt stupid for initially thinking that ICE was trying to pass it off as real. How does that fool the POTUS for weeks and weeks he doesn't know the truth? Does he know the truth now? If he's this easy to fool, is he in charge at all?

 
Not by much. Best thing they could have done was push out Biden. Now the gop should have the guts to do the same

You're seriously having a difficult time showing where Trump is a commanding mental leap from Biden. That doesn't tell you anything?
Your question was how are Americans smarter. If you dont like the example ask better questions. You didn’t disagree either. Example of commanding leap would be the difference in calling a lid early vs. sit down interview with MSM like Trump just did.
 
Your question was how are Americans smarter. If you dont like the example ask better questions. You didn’t disagree either. Example of commanding leap would be the difference in calling a lid early vs. sit down interview with MSM like Trump just did.
Voting for Trump doesn't indicate intelligence. It shows the voters are still stupid

In that sit down interview he tried to claim pics altered by his own people and displayed in the oval office were of real tattoos. I'd prefer the lid
 
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be curiuos to know how many EOs are for undoing predecessor EOs..why we will always see higher and higher numbers after party turnover
This has been my point. For example….
Obama….we’re part of Paris climate agreement
Trump…we’re out
Biden…we’re back
Trump we’re out again
 
Voting for Trump doesn't indicate intelligence. It shows the voters are still stupid

In that sit down interview he tried to claim pics altered by his own people and displayed in the oval office were of real tattoos. I'd prefer the lid
Lid, Haitians, whips and horses. Got it.
 
The USC is a living document and open to interpretation to the times.
That is exactly the argument that gun ban advocates make when trying to infringe on the 2nd Amendment. The Constitution is a "living, breathing" document as they say ..... but how Constitutional Amendments are written doesn't change to the times. The Constitution can obviously be amended but not with an executive order.
 
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That is exactly the argument that gun ban advocates make when trying to infringe on the 2nd Amendment. The Constitution is a "living, breathing" document as they say ..... but how Constitutional Amendments are written doesn't change to the times. The Constitution can obviously be amended but not with an executive order.
exactly why I said it..tell that to the Dems
 
The 14th Amendment really is crystal clear on birthright citizenship. That's not a hill anyone should want to die on. The Trump Administration knows their case is a loser. They just want to show their base that they at least tried to end "anchor babies." It's political theater.
Hold on now..the 1A and 2A are challenged constantly on interpretation and the evolution of guns..remember the military and only muskets arguments set by the DNC...the 14th could be interpreted differently now due the influx of illegal immigration or invasion.
 
Hold on now..the 1A and 2A are challenged constantly on interpretation and the evolution of guns..remember the military and only muskets arguments set by the DNC...the 14th could be interpreted differently now due the influx of illegal immigration or invasion.
So you agree that the 1A and 2A should be constantly challenged or do you think there is room for interpretation in the 14th that isn't present in those two?
 
The second best option that requires no new legislation or constitutional changes is for congress to actually do their jobs.
Welp. Unfortunately we have another issue that sux but doesn't have any palatable solution. Board members get to bitch and moan, gnash their teeth and be tribal. Maybe that's enough. Maybe having a place to vent and fight when one is powerless is beneficial.
 
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Hold on now..the 1A and 2A are challenged constantly on interpretation and the evolution of guns..remember the military and only muskets arguments set by the DNC...the 14th could be interpreted differently now due the influx of illegal immigration or invasion.
Not a great analogy.

Democrats do have an extensive history of making lame arguments over why the 2nd Amendment should be interpreted differently now vs 100 years ago .... they never go anywhere.

Republicans can make lame arguments over the 14th Amendment and waste their time like Democrats if they want to. The 14th Amendment says what it says. An executive order won't change it.
 
Not a great analogy.

Democrats do have an extensive history of making lame arguments over why the 2nd Amendment should be interpreted differently now vs 100 years ago .... they never go anywhere.

Republicans can make lame arguments over the 14th Amendment and waste their time like Democrats if they want to. The 14th Amendment says what it says. An executive order won't change it.
No an EO won't change it but it'll get to SCOTUS to either reinforce it or change it...just like the 2A arguments.
 
So you agree that the 1A and 2A should be constantly challenged or do you think there is room for interpretation in the 14th that isn't present in those two?
I believe it's different....because the immigration back then was completely different and not an invasion and coming off a war....as opposed to a gun still doing the same thing a gun always has.
 
Donald Trump has signed just 5 bills into law so far. They were :

The Laken Riley Act
A stopgap funding bill
3 Congressional Review Act Resolutions which overturned Biden-era rules

That is the fewest number of bills signed into law in a President's first 100 days in office breaking George W. Bush's previous record low of 7. Congress might as well just go home. They aren't going to do $hit. Basically, we are a dictatorship now. What's the point of having a legislative branch? They're just bumps on a log.
Hold on.
Are we saying this is a bad thing?
I mean seriously with the last few presidents we’d all be better off if they did nothing
 
It doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about now, but there is a good documentary on Amazon Prime about the voyage of the MS St.Louis ship that left Europe with over 900 Jewish refugees in 1939. They were desperately trying to escape Nazi persecution. Cuba, the United States and Canada all turned them away. They would have to return to Europe. It's estimated that roughly half of them would later be executed in the holocaust.

However .... the United States did admit fugitive Nazi scientists following the end of World War II during what was known as Operation : Paper Clip. One of them was Dr. Wernher Von Braun who had worked in a POW camp where American prisoners were starved. He later became head of NASA. We made him rich.

I just mention it because I find it interesting. It's not relevant to any of this.
 
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