War in Ukraine

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dalton_vol said:
I believe they should, but they're the aggressor, they're not going to stop until they're met with a hard resistance, which American and Europe would provide.
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I just don't care. I mean for entertainment and observation, sure but if that is what someone wants to do... 🤷‍♂️

The Russians have achievable goals - there is no plan for the Ukrainians which is why nobody actually proposes a plan other than launder money as long as possible with the taxpayers money.

The few internet warriors here still won't join up. Most of the nuts here left long ago, only the ones that need to be locked up remain.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Putin has been very strategic in this war and has held back I believe. The only way that we're really going to be able to defeat Putin is to send troops over and to join the war. Thus World War III. If America and European troops went over there to fight. Then this war ends pretty quickly. It depends on how many US soldiers Bearded, evil and the other board's warmongers are willing to allow killed and wounded. Let's see how far the Ukraine flag waivers are willing to go.
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how has Putin held back?

except for nukes, they have tried it all.

they were losing their navy to a nation without a navy in a landlocked war.
they deployed strategic bombers, until they started getting shot down.
their air force was deployed in force, until they started getting shot down.
they introduced their new hypersonic missiles, and have launched the largest cruise missile strikes the world has seen.
they rolled out their new "super" tanks, even if they could only be trusted to act as behind the line artillery, and not front line units.
they tried an initial blitz, utilizing their special forces paratroopers. after that failed they rotated towards total destruction.
they have used so much artillery they have had to rely on foreign sources for shells, and artillery pieces.
they have ran out of modern tanks and been digging out 70 year old tanks to man the line.
they have mobilized prisoners, banned men from leaving the nation, enlisted 10s of thousands of foreign troops to fill trenches, revised their enlistment/service requirements probably half a dozen times.

Putin may not be "all in", but he is about as close as one can be. he is winning, but it is not coming easy or fast.
 
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LouderVol said:
how has Putin held back?

except for nukes, they have tried it all.

they were losing their navy to a nation without a navy in a landlocked war.
they deployed strategic bombers, until they started getting shot down.
their air force was deployed in force, until they started getting shot down.
they introduced their new hypersonic missiles, and have launched the largest cruise missile strikes the world has seen.
they rolled out their new "super" tanks, even if they could only be trusted to act as behind the line artillery, and not front line units.
they tried an initial blitz, utilizing their special forces paratroopers. after that failed they rotated towards total destruction.
they have used so much artillery they have had to rely on foreign sources for shells, and artillery pieces.
they have ran out of modern tanks and been digging out 70 year old tanks to man the line.
they have mobilized prisoners, banned men from leaving the nation, enlisted 10s of thousands of foreign troops to fill trenches, revised their enlistment/service requirements probably half a dozen times.

Putin may not be "all in", but he is about as close as one can be. he is winning, but it is not coming easy or fast.
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Ultimately Russia is likely going to end this fiasco with more territory than it started with however the eternal debate will be was the juice worth the squeeze. Especially if the west stays united in decoupling economically from Russia and keeping them in financial exile
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ultimately Russia is likely going to end this fiasco with more territory than it started with however the eternal debate will be was the juice worth the squeeze. Especially if the west stays united in decoupling economically from Russia and keeping them in financial exile
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Russia owes the west and the World bank way too much money for it to "decouple" economically and keep them in financial exile.
 
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hog88 said:
Russia owes the west and the World bank way too much money for it to "decouple" economically and keep them in financial exile.
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Maybe. And don’t get me wrong counting on the intestinal fortitude of western leadership to press Russia is not something I expect to happen short term much less long term.

Factor in Russian natural resources and good ole fashion greed will kick in at some point to get that Russian oil flowing again.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Maybe. And don’t get me wrong counting on the intestinal fortitude of western leadership to press Russia is not something I expect to happen short term much less long term.

Factor in Russian natural resources and good ole fashion greed will kick in at some point to get that Russian oil flowing again.
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Western banks will make sure the interest payments start flowing again.

Then the World Bank using US guaranteed loans will drop a big bag on both Russia and Ukraine to recover from the war.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ultimately Russia is likely going to end this fiasco with more territory than it started with however the eternal debate will be was the juice worth the squeeze. Especially if the west stays united in decoupling economically from Russia and keeping them in financial exile
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to me it helps to put things in perspective.

The Russians lost 15k dead, and 35k wounded in a ten year war in afghanistan. and that capped out at 120k in Afghanistan. there is no way to look at the Ukraine War, compare it to any other war since WW2, and say its limited in some fashion.

pyrrhic victory is going to apply here. but even that will come with a good bit of revisionism from Russia to justify claiming the win.
 
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LouderVol said:
how has Putin held back?

except for nukes, they have tried it all.

they were losing their navy to a nation without a navy in a landlocked war.
they deployed strategic bombers, until they started getting shot down.
their air force was deployed in force, until they started getting shot down.
they introduced their new hypersonic missiles, and have launched the largest cruise missile strikes the world has seen.
they rolled out their new "super" tanks, even if they could only be trusted to act as behind the line artillery, and not front line units.
they tried an initial blitz, utilizing their special forces paratroopers. after that failed they rotated towards total destruction.
they have used so much artillery they have had to rely on foreign sources for shells, and artillery pieces.
they have ran out of modern tanks and been digging out 70 year old tanks to man the line.
they have mobilized prisoners, banned men from leaving the nation, enlisted 10s of thousands of foreign troops to fill trenches, revised their enlistment/service requirements probably half a dozen times.

Putin may not be "all in", but he is about as close as one can be. he is winning, but it is not coming easy or fast.
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Winning is winning, the many losses of Life by Russians, is going to be two three times more with ukraine. This is going to devastate their culture in the next 10 years from all the Ukrainian men dying. This is why we need to try to have peace, or send in us and European soldiers to fight Russia
 
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dalton_vol said:
Winning is winning, the many losses of Life by Russians, is going to be two three times more with ukraine. This is going to devastate their culture in the next 10 years from all the Ukrainian men dying. This is why we need to try to have peace, or send in us and European soldiers to fight Russia
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I think Russia was in trouble before this, and I don't think anything in this war is going to change it.

Russia was already facing a population decline. even when controlling for the war losses it has only gotten worse in the war. stealing land isn't going to fix that.

the resources, and any manufacturing/industry left, aren't going to be something Russia was radically missing.

they aren't gaining access to a port they didn't have before.

the war has made them dependent on other nations, considering one of those is China, they aren't great "allies" to be counting on for Russia's long term. I still believe the only winner of this war is China.

I really don't see what the net gain for Russia was by fighting the war the way they have.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Winning is winning, the many losses of Life by Russians, is going to be two three times more with ukraine. This is going to devastate their culture in the next 10 years from all the Ukrainian men dying. This is why we need to try to have peace, or send in us and European soldiers to fight Russia
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I’m assuming this is more obtu… er… sarcasm on your part?
 
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