War in Ukraine

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#86,976
dalton_vol said:
There are no good guys in this war. Both are bad. Evil you should be begging for boots on the ground. If you really want to win this war put boots on the ground. Just stop with your virtual signaling until then
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Its all relative, and relatively speaking Russia is 10,000,000 times worse in this than is the Ukraine.

And for a time, that is what the Republican party said. Insisted on. Said would never, ever change. And here we are ....

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A little "crawfishing" from across the pond ...

From the article:

Keir Starmer may roll back from his pledge to send troops to Ukraine if a peace deal is secured, it is claimed.

The PM is said to be on the verge of abandoning plans to deploy a British peacekeeping force if the war ends because the risks are "too high". Instead military trainers could be sent, according to reports.

Mr Starmer previously said he was prepared to send a peacekeeping force once a deal to end the war is reached. He warned that unless European nations step up, tyrant Vladimir Putin will strike again.

But an insider told The Times: “The risks are too high and the forces inadequate for such a task. This was always the UK’s thought. It was France who wanted a more muscular approach.”

www.mirror.co.uk

Keir Starmer 'may abandon plan to send UK troops to Ukraine as it's too risky'

Keir Starmer is said to be set to abandon plans to send UK troops to Ukraine as part of a peacekeeping force - but a Cabinet member said 'all options' are on the table
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
 
#86,983
#86,983
dalton_vol said:
LG, man up and call for US troops on the ground.
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Its not either or. Its not give up on Ukraine, or put US troops on the ground. The support we gave before worked. It slowed and stalled Russian aggression. Trump has withdrawn it, and while Europe has somewhat filled the void, it is not nearly the same thing as having the U.S. in your corner.

And the problem created by Trump's approach of forcing Ukraine to concede territory is that it puts Putin in the driver's seat, of how much. There is a concept in negotiating between warring parties called mutual stalemate. What Trump did is to take that off the table. Its not a true stalemate and so Putin drives the outcome.
 
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#86,987
lawgator1 said:
Its not either or. Its not give up on Ukraine, or put US troops on the ground. The support we gave before worked. It slowed and stalled Russian aggression. Trump has withdrawn it, and while Europe has somewhat filled the void, it is not nearly the same thing as having the U.S. in your corner.

And the problem created by Trump's approach of forcing Ukraine to concede territory is that it puts Putin in the driver's seat, of how much. There is a concept in negotiating between warring parties called mutual stalemate. What Trump did is to take that off the table. Its not a true stalemate and so Putin drives the outcome.
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If we were able to get out of it and get Europe to pay for it now, I would call that a win.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Putin has been very strategic in this war and has held back I believe. The only way that we're really going to be able to defeat Putin is to send troops over and to join the war. Thus World War III. If America and European troops went over there to fight. Then this war ends pretty quickly. It depends on how many US soldiers Bearded, evil and the other board's warmongers are willing to allow killed and wounded. Let's see how far the Ukraine flag waivers are willing to go.
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Correct for the most part. Russia just isn't good at war, but they are ready and willing to throw a bunch troops at the problem. They have always done this and have never evolved. If Europe and the U.S. really wanted to crush the Russians in a conventional war, then they could easily do it. Not going to happen though.
 
#86,992
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BeardedVol said:
The man has the output of the most extensive intelligence apparatus at his fingertips on a daily basis...

apnews.com

Trump expresses doubts Putin is willing to end the Ukraine war, a day after saying a deal was close

President Donald Trump says he doubts Russia’s Vladimir Putin wants to end his war in Ukraine. Trump is expressing new skepticism that a peace deal can be reached soon.
apnews.com apnews.com
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He's finally figured it out. Putin is ruthless and can't be trusted one iota.
 
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#86,997
lawgator1 said:
Its not either or. Its not give up on Ukraine, or put US troops on the ground. The support we gave before worked. It slowed and stalled Russian aggression. Trump has withdrawn it, and while Europe has somewhat filled the void, it is not nearly the same thing as having the U.S. in your corner.

And the problem created by Trump's approach of forcing Ukraine to concede territory is that it puts Putin in the driver's seat, of how much. There is a concept in negotiating between warring parties called mutual stalemate. What Trump did is to take that off the table. Its not a true stalemate and so Putin drives the outcome.
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If by worked, if you means destroy a country and the people in it, sure. The amount of money is not material, unless you are going to join up with millions of your loonie friends it probably isn't going to matter. When are you joining the cause?

No, by the Ukrainians taking your stance they now have less of a hand to deal with, as I said in 2022, "its not going to get better than today" (paraphrased)

As is the norm, you have no idea what you are talking about. Every day its generally going to get worse for the Ukrainians, its just the hard truth.

There is a concept in negotiating between warring parties called mutual stalemate.
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If it was a stalemate, this thread would have been dead a long time ago... so the Ukrainians aren't winning, new to me in the thread.
 
#86,999
#86,999
lawgator1 said:
Perhaps he just had to see it for himself. That the intelligence officials telling him this for the last 15 years were right all along.
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Maybe, or maybe he's still in his own reality about Putin and Russia. Let's see if he does start to look out for American interests over Russian.
 
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