The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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utvolpj said:
Probably because the 2 aren't related
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My bad. I completely forgot that going to court there's no cost to the taxpayers especially federal court feels for the supreme court. My phone didn't realize it was all free and Utopia
 
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utvolpj said:
Due process, a basic function of our Country, is simply not waste. What a ridiculous take
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And it’s nowhere near as complicated as some here want it to be.

A wanted criminal was deported to his home country who we have an extradition treaty with.
But he’s scared that a rival gang member might want to harm him. Not really our problem.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And it’s nowhere near as complicated as some here want it to be.

A wanted criminal was deported to his home country who we have an extradition treaty with.
But he’s scared that a rival gang member might want to harm him. Not really our problem.
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This had nothing to do with extradition
 
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C-south said:
He’s already had it, at least twice.
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Not in this case. Where he was told his status had changed. Which it had not. The last case he received due process it said he can stay for now. The government could only remove if they found a place wanting to take him.


"When Abrego Garcia was arrested on March 12, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers didn’t provide a warrant and “told him only that his ‘status had changed,'” according to U.S. District Court Judge Paula Xinis’ explanation of her April 4 decision that he should be returned from El Salvador. He was shuttled between detainment facilities before being flown to El Salvador on March 15, without having seen a judge."
 
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volfanhill said:
Not in this case. Where he was told his status had changed. Which it had not. The last case he received due process it said he can stay for now. The government could only remove if they found a place wanting to take him.


"When Abrego Garcia was arrested on March 12, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers didn’t provide a warrant and “told him only that his ‘status had changed,'” according to U.S. District Court Judge Paula Xinis’ explanation of her April 4 decision that he should be returned from El Salvador. He was shuttled between detainment facilities before being flown to El Salvador on March 15, without having seen a judge."
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Are we in agreement that he could have been deported anywhere else?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And it’s nowhere near as complicated as some here want it to be.

A wanted criminal was deported to his home country who we have an extradition treaty with.
But he’s scared that a rival gang member might want to harm him. Not really our problem.
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There's now question whether there was a court order restraint from deporting to El Salvador. The docs I've seen from that immigration case says that there is a hold from deporting to GUATAMALA due to fears for his safety, which is where his family moved to after El Salvador, and where he left to illegally enter the US.

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Immigration Judge's 2019 Order Found Kilmar Abrego Garcia 'Subject to Removal' by Deportation But Granted 'Withholding of Removal' to Guatemala, Though Referencing El Salvador - Tennessee Star

The Tennessee Star on Tuesday obtained the final deportation order issued by former U.S. Immigration Judge David M. Jones in 2019, which also granted "withholding of removal" relief, showing the judge appeared to prohibit immigration authorities from deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Guatemala...
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The Respondent’s application for asylum is time-barred without exception. However, he has established past persecution based on a protected ground, and the presumption of a well-founded fear of future persecution. DHS has not shown there are changed circumstances in Guatemala that would result in the Respondent’s life not being threatened, or that internal relocation is possible and reasonable under the circumstances. Therefore, the Respondent’s application for withholding under the Act is granted. Finally, his CAT claim fails because he has not shown that he would suffer torture.”
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At present, even though the family has now shut down the pupusa business, Barrio 18 continues to harass and threaten the Respondent’s two sisters and parents in Guatemala. Additionally, they have targeted a brother-in-law who now lives with the family.”
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DHS has failed to carry their burden to show that there are changed circumstances in Guatemala that would result in the Respondent’s life not being threatened, or that internal relocation is possible and reasonable. The facts here show that the Barrio 18 gang continues to threaten and harass the Abrego family over these several years, and does so even though the family has moved three times.
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volfanhill said:
Yes. As long as that country agreed to take him
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Agreed. There seems to be a desire by some to paint him as this wonderful family man who was taken away randomly.

The truth is he was aware that he could be deported.

It’s also insane to be that they barred a gang member from deportation home due to fears of violence against him from his rival gang.

Either way he should be brought back and then deported elsewhere
 
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Orange_Crush said:
There's now question whether there was a court order restraint from deporting to El Salvador. The docs I've seen from that immigration case says that there is a hold from deporting to GUATAMALA due to fears for his safety, which is where his family moved to after El Salvador, and where he left to illegally enter the US.

tennesseestar.com

Immigration Judge's 2019 Order Found Kilmar Abrego Garcia 'Subject to Removal' by Deportation But Granted 'Withholding of Removal' to Guatemala, Though Referencing El Salvador - Tennessee Star

The Tennessee Star on Tuesday obtained the final deportation order issued by former U.S. Immigration Judge David M. Jones in 2019, which also granted "withholding of removal" relief, showing the judge appeared to prohibit immigration authorities from deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Guatemala...
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I have heard the ES was actually not the problem but I’ve been too lazy to look as I don’t care because he got what he had coming. Come here legally. Problem solved
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agreed. There seems to be a desire by some to paint him as this wonderful family man who was taken away randomly.

The truth is he was aware that he could be deported.

It’s also insane to be that they barred a gang member from deportation home due to fears of violence against him from his rival gang.

Either way he should be brought back and then deported elsewhere
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Ya….hes wanted in ES and we have an extradition treaty with them. It’s in their hands now. Maybe…..maybe, he should not have been deported there but this will not be overturned
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya….hes wanted in ES and we have an extradition treaty with them. It’s in their hands now. Maybe…..maybe, he should not have been deported there but this will not be overturned
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Media reports no criminal history in ES. I've wondered about that. ES wanted him for criminal history?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And it’s nowhere near as complicated as some here want it to be.

A wanted criminal was deported to his home country who we have an extradition treaty with.
But he’s scared that a rival gang member might want to harm him. Not really our problem.
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Yes, the phrase "due process" has 2 words and the word "due" can get overshadowed as in this case.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Media reports no criminal history in ES. I've wondered about that. ES wanted him for criminal history?
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Again….I'm just taking their president at face value. And I don’t care as I think he got what he deserved. Maybe he was maybe he wasn’t. If I get inspiration maybe I’ll look it up.
 
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vol66 said:
It doesn’t seem like he would want them to have to do so. All I’m saying is bring him back, figure out something more appropriate.
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He wants to come here and be a predator rather than go there and have them be prey . Makes sense
 
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volfanhill said:
Yes. As long as that country agreed to take him
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This is something I have trouble with. If an American was detained and deported from another country, I would want it to be to the US. I don't want, say, Singapore to send a US citizen to Russia because the American spit on a sidewalk.

I understand the trouble people have with the US deporting Garcia to the country a judge said not to deport him to, but what right would we have to deport him elsewhere? What right would another country have to take him in? I don't get that. If that happened to a US citizen, we'd be pissed.

(I also take isse with the US law that allows us to order deportation, but exclude the deportee's home country. That seems silly to me; if someone is here illegally, we should be able to deport them wherever they are a citizen, and let the home country take care of the security of their own citizens. I do realize that is not the way the law is written.)
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agreed. There seems to be a desire by some to paint him as this wonderful family man who was taken away randomly.

The truth is he was aware that he could be deported.

It’s also insane to be that they barred a gang member from deportation home due to fears of violence against him from his rival gang.

Either way he should be brought back and then deported elsewhere
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Agreed
 
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