Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[tnhunter 10]

Fish bomb

 

[eVOLve]

It is kinda wild that the winner in a fight between a Powerhouse and a Blue Chip turns out to be a blue collar QB who was just looking to start somewhere and keep his dreams alive another day.

How God works

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

Just recieved my first skeeter bite of the year!

Dad burn skeeters

 

[Orange.]

I think you could count RG3 from Baylor as a success from this system, too. He set NFL records for highest rookie passer rating and touchdown–interception ratio. But that knee injury at the end of his rookie year derailed his NFL career.

 

[volbeast33]

We're talking how many major programs? 3 or 4?

And how many of them had elite talent? 0-1?

And over what? 10 years?

Crazy small sample size.

We're mostly talking OG Baylor and now Ole Miss and UT...

We spent from 1960-2020 playing "pro style" and we produced some luckbox of a kid with zero genetics in Peyton Manning at the NFL level...

What has Bama done in 100 years outside of Namath?

NFL qb success is pretty dang random, otherwise everyone should be slobbering all over Tx Tech and Wyoming QBs right now

We were discussing this topic as it relates to recruiting. We have a reputation among many NFL scouts/media that out offense doesn't prepare kids for the pros. I agree with that line of thinking and feel that we need some guys to become studs to get more elite players to buy into our system.

Alabama has had Ken”the snake” Stabler, Tua( above avg) and if you count him Jalen Hurts. Alabama with Nick Saban is a good example. His qbs were considered game managers until he brought in Kiffin. That is when qb recruiting started getting a lot better.

I really think Baylor and us are the only big schools to truly run the Veer and Shoot. kiffin runs more of hybrid version of the veer and shoot. Heup does some of that but I wish he would incorporate more of it into his game plans.

 

[knoxvol52]

Mike Patrick long time play by play announcer for ESPN passed away at 80 years of age.. remember him calling Tennessee games in 80's and 90's...

 

[Revived2002]

I’ve actually wondered if Heupel’s scheme would work better with a QB like this. Milton and Nico both had live arms, but didn’t strike me as playmakers that could make something out of nothing when the play was breaking down. Curious to see how quickly this guy adapts and if he can win the job. Still not sure I want to pay big $$s to watch Tennessee breaking him in against Georgia in week 3.

 

[knoxvol52]

I think you could count RG3 from Baylor as a success from this system, too. He set NFL records for highest rookie passer rating and touchdown–interception ratio. But that knee injury at the end of his rookie year derailed his NFL career.

Mike Shanahan should've never sent RG3 out to play vs Ravens. Leg was already injured and when Nagati hit him it finished tearing his ACL.

 

[volbeast33]

I bet you $20 he finds a way to sling a pass on the last play of the game instead of running out of bounds.

Worth it if he does

 

[Jackcrevol]

I bet you $20 he finds a way to sling a pass on the last play of the game instead of running out of bounds.

Run it, down their throats.

 

[volbeast33]

Someone earlier mentioned one guy from this system family who has played well in the NFL. Not many people have heard of him, maybe. Click link to watch.

That's the air raid and not the veer and shoot. The air raid use to receive the same complaints though.

 

[99Vol]

SoftVols up 1-0 on 1st V #19 Clemson

 

[Orange.]

Mike Shanahan should've never sent RG3 out to play vs Ravens. Leg was already injured and when Nagati hit him it finished tearing his ACL.

That's right. What a horrible coaching decision.

 

[Midas]

Did you say that Dobbs wasn't a very high bar? WTH Butch!!!

lmao the most wild statement on VN in a long time . Bro Dobbs is no question better than Pavia in every way idk what he’s talking about. Bray can probably throw it farther and harder than Pavia with his left hand. If Bray had some sort of running ability he would have obliterated teams in Heupel’s offense.

 

[knoxvol52]

That's the air raid and not the veer and shoot. The air raid use to receive the same complaints though.

Houston Cougars under Jack Pardee ran the run &Shoot offense and got 2 QB's drafted in top 5 two different years and in NFL they both stunk up the joint.

 

[Orange.]

I think a good portion of the "Heupel's system doesn't prepare players" talk is a negative recruiting spiel from (especially) a couple of big SEC coaches who had the ears of all the scouts because they were and one still is loaded with blue-chip round-one talent.

It's not entirely honest, either. These coaches have long sold the lie that it is their tutelage that primes those players for the NFL, wholly omitting that as 5-star recruits those guys are already predicted to the league. They want to make it all about themselves. And point away from the blue chip ratios they have. Jimmys and Joes.

I think Nico was envisioned as the guy with the arm talent to break through that story about Heup's offense and put a QB at the top of the draft from this system. It sucks that it didn't work out. I hope DSamp does well. Keep plugging.

 

[knoxvol52]

Catch of the year by the fan at Lady Vols Softball game. Guy is holding his newborn child in left arm asleep and stands up and reaches back and catches foul ball without waking baby up...

 

[screenthis]

Just recieved my first skeeter bite of the year!

So, over the weekend, I decided it was an excellent time to clean up and 'Weed and Seed' 3.5 acres including one field. AND, got mah first tick. I yanked that sucker out and remembered...ummm, did I get da head?

 

[volbeast33]

Houston Cougars under Jack Pardee ran the run &Shoot offense and got 2 QB's drafted in top 5 two different years and in NFL they both stunk up the joint.

Yeah I remember the Sports Illustrated with Houston on the cover. Everyone was wondering why they had so many wrs on the field. I knew the Houston qbs were going to be awful but I was hoping that they would be good.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I think a good portion of the "Heupel's system doesn't prepare players" talk is a negative recruiting spiel from (especially) a couple of big SEC coaches who had the ears of all the scouts because they were loaded with blue chip players.

It's not entirely honest, either. These coaches have long sold the lie that it is their tutelage that primes those players for the NFL, wholly omitting that as 5-star recruits those guys are already predicted to the league. They want to make it all about themselves. And point away from the blue chip ratios they have.

I say again (but not a third time ) that I think Nico was envisioned as the guy with the arm talent to break through that story and put a QB in the first round. It sucks that it didn't work out. I hope LahSamp does well.

Winning matters the most and sending guys to the league. Luckily, that is what Heupel has been doing. The behind the scenes chatter doesn’t matter much at all unless you start losing.

 

[Billy Antrim]

Great Pyrenees are amazing dogs. I’ll put that breed up against any other dog breed 1 on 1 in a fight.

Loyal and gentle giants but they can be mean and protective, if needed.

We have friends who own a ranch with a small herd of cattle in Hico, Texas. Their GP dog, Bo, is let out at night to guard the herd, and he keeps all the coyotes away. Then he comes home in the morning and sleeps all day. Very friendly dog.

 

[Jackcrevol]

We have friends who own a ranch with a small herd of cattle in Hico, Texas. Their GP dog, Bo, is let out at night to guard the herd, and he keeps all the coyotes away. Then he comes home in the morning and sleeps all day. Very friendly dog.

Great Polynesian?

Giant Panda?

 

[SoilVol]

Oh Lady Vols.

Bit of a gaffe there by Pickens and the catcher.

 

[SoilVol]

#6 Vols 5
Lipscomb 0 T5

#1 Lady Vols 1
#19 Clemson 3 5th

 

[Jimmy Football]

#6 Vols 5
Lipscomb 0 T5

#1 Lady Vols 1
#19 Clemson 3 5th

Fahr Karen