The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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MontyPython said:
You’ve asked me repeatedly to opine on whether or not Garcia is a gang member. And I’m not going to do it. I don’t have all the information. Neither do you.

This is why we have a court system… that Trump loves to ignore.
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Courts don’t have “all the information”. I provided you a massive amount of information. Based on that information (arrested with 2 other MS-13 members, wearing multiple articles of clothing associated with MS-13, and carrying $1178 on him), you can’t make an educated guess?

Man from El Salvador. Where MS-13 is big. Dressed in not one, but 2 articles of clothing worn by MS-13 members, and detained with 2 other MS-13 members.

I’m genuinely curious, what additional information would you need before you’d admit he’s an MS-13 member
 
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@NashVol11 can you tell me what additional information you’d need to accept that Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13?

Dressing like a member and associating with members, is often a heck of a good sign that someone is a member.
 
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MontyPython said:
You’ve asked me repeatedly to opine on whether or not Garcia is a gang member. And I’m not going to do it. I don’t have all the information. Neither do you.

This is why we have a court system… that Trump loves to ignore.
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Exactly
 
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MontyPython said:
You’ve asked me repeatedly to opine on whether or not Garcia is a gang member. And I’m not going to do it. I don’t have all the information. Neither do you.

This is why we have a court system… that Trump loves to ignore.
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Immigration process resulted in the determination that the guy is an illegal, further its my understanding they identified him as a gang member. If this was wrong, how was it wrong and did he perfect the appeal? Further, a determination was appears to be further made via the AEA. He has a valid deportation order, whether he is gang member really only deals with the stay of the deportation order to not be sent to El Salvador.

What part of this is wrong? Was a legally in the United States? It doesn't seem like this is a controversy. His gang member status really isn't material at this point.

that Trump loves to ignore
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He was removed via AEA, the court's jurisdiction was not properly invoked. One possible way was habeas. At this point, the court dealing with the deportation stay has no real authority, not really, and has most likely lost jurisdiction as the guy was released, although maybe the process can continue for some unknown reason.

I don't see a real controversy, everyone agrees from what I can tell that he was an illegal from El Salvador.

I don’t have all the information. Neither do you.
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This is no longer material as he was not here legally, that basically just impacted the timing of his removal and destination.... his legal status is not impacted by whether he was in a gang or not... he was illegal.

Now, what is the problem in this instance?
 
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n_huffhines said:
He might be a gang member. This is not one of the top several concerns with this case. If you are making this argument, you are either

1) a xenophobe
2) a partisan hack who knows it's a bad defense but has to say something
3) too stupid to understand it's a bad point

Pick one

If he got dueprocess, nobody would know his name. That's how you know "he might he a gang member" is a dumbass defense. If you can't fathom this and go back to "he was a gang banger" then you are an idiot.
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He got due process. Where the Fup was where he was deported to
 
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NashVol11 said:
Rich from the group that will disregard any constitutional right and let Dear Leader trample all over them as long as he says "that guy was really bad though"
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You've never cared about the Constitution. Your lies are hyperbole are noted and adorable. lmao
 
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Sen. Chris Van Hollen on Sunday repeatedly sidestepped questions about whether Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gangbanger as the Trump administration has alleged.

Van Hollen (D-Md.), who met with Abrego Garcia in El Salvador on Thursday notably refused to deny that Abrego Garcia was gang member and confessed he did not ask him about the alleged ties when they spoke — despite CNN’s Dana Bash asking him point-blank if he could say “with absolute certainty” that the deported illegal migrant wasn’t a member of the vicious gang.

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Dem Sen. Chris Van Hollen, who visited deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia in El Salvador, dodges questions about migrant’s MS-13 ties

Sen. Chris Van Hollen on Sunday repeatedly sidestepped questions about whether Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gangbanger as the Trump administration has alleged.
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Tim Walz's daughter compares MS-13 gang members to Jesus Christ​


Tim Walz's daughter has caused a social media storm by saying that if Jesus were alive today, Donald Trump's administration would have 'claimed he was a member of the MS-13 gang' and deported him.

Hope Walz, 24, made the comment in a viral TikTok which had been viewed more than 46,000 times as of Sunday night.

'If Jesus were alive today and in the United States, this administration would already have taken him and removed him from this country without due process,' she said.

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Tim Walz's daughter compares MS-13 gang members to Jesus Christ

Hope Walz has caused a social media storm by saying that if Jesus were alive today Donald Trump 's administration would have 'claimed he was a member of the MS-13 gang' and deported him.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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