The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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Orange_Crush said:
There's better evidence of that than evidence of his affiliations to the gang here?

Interestingly enough, when he was initially detained as an illegal, he stated that he was here illegally and that he had no fear of returning to El Salvador. Doesn't sound like he fled anything there (until an attorney would have told him that his chancer are better as an asylum-seeker who had never sought asylum).

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Did you mean that there is documented testimony by arresting officers that they observed him wearing the gang-affiliation attire?


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(Also, see the above for your irony. You demand a certain level of proof for his affiliation with no level of proof needed for the claim that he was fleeing a gang in ES.)
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"The Westerns Clique" is in Long Island, in a state he had never even been to. Almost literally anything would be "better evidence" than that lol, that guy was full of it
 
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evillawyer said:
Weird how they don't want to apply that logic to all those photos of Trump with Epstein.
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Is Trump up for deportation based on Epstein affiliation? This isn't really a debate about public opinion as much as it's a debate about how this guy was deported, and my understanding is that there is more than one way for him to be deported based merely on association and suspicion. 1. Immigration court, 2. AEA, 3. SoS suspicion/decision.
 
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NashVol11 said:
"The Westerns Clique" is in Long Island, in a state he had never even been to. Almost literally anything would be "better evidence" than that lol, that guy was full of it
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WTH are you talking about? Because I'm not talking about "that guy". I'm talking about police testimony about what they observed him wearing. (That was the point in question.)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
WTH are you talking about? Because I'm not talking about "that guy". I'm talking about police testimony about what they observed him wearing. (That was the point in question.)
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This was your first question.
Orange_Crush said:
There's better evidence of that than evidence of his affiliations to the gang here?
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The "evidence" you posted right after that was a report with a "gang validation" section that said a guy said he was in the Westerns Clique, in a state he never set foot in. So yes, that's worthless.

We've talked in this thread already about the officer who wrote that report but couldn't be cross-examined because he was busy providing confidential information to a sex worker and getting arrested for it. Seems like no court or other individual agreed with him
 
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NashVol11 said:
"The Westerns Clique" is in Long Island, in a state he had never even been to. Almost literally anything would be "better evidence" than that lol, that guy was full of it
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Why is he hanging out with gang members and wearing gang attire?

If it were just the hat, I’d understand. But multiple articles of clothing with multiple MS-13 gang members.

That seems like a lot to just be coincidence
 
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NashVol11 said:
This was your first question.

The "evidence" you posted right after that was a report with a "gang validation" section that said a guy said he was in the Westerns Clique, in a state he never set foot in. So yes, that's worthless.

We've talked in this thread already about the officer who wrote that report but couldn't be cross-examined because he was busy providing confidential information to a sex worker and getting arrested for it. Seems like no court or other individual agreed with him
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Read better. This immediately followed.

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Seems like the immigration court agreed enough to refuse bail/bond.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why is he hanging out with gang members and wearing gang attire?

If it were just the hat, I’d understand. But multiple articles of clothing with multiple MS-13 gang members.

That seems like a lot to just be coincidence
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The photo from his arrest shows him wearing a construction vest. They said he was wearing a Bulls hat and a "see no evil" hoodie. You're fine with the hat, so this is because of a hoodie they said he was wearing? And "multiple members" when you just admitted they only knew of one? If it weren't so flimsy, people wouldn't need to keep lying like this
 
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NashVol11 said:
The photo from his arrest shows him wearing a construction vest. They said he was wearing a Bulls hat and a "see no evil" hoodie. You're fine with the hat, so this is because of a hoodie? And "multiple members" when you just admitted they only knew of one? If it weren't so flimsy, people wouldn't need to keep lying like this
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If it were just the hat I’d consider ignoring the hat. Not combined with the hoodie, with him being from a country where MS-13 is a major gang (meaning he knows the meaning of the Bulls hat and the hoodie).

They knew one was for sure a gang member. A second had tattoos consistent with that gang. That means….2 gang members.

Can you provide the photo you’re referencing? I’m not certain I’ve seen it.
 
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Whether he is in MS-13 is not really relevant though.



I have no idea, not sure I really care.




Maybe everyone should consider that President can shoot a hellfire missile at the good ole Dad from Maryland.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You serious? Geez.

Read better. I can post screen-prints, but not pictures.
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You posted the same report written by an officer who couldn't be cross-examined because he was suspended, containing the same "Westerns clique" claim that everyone agrees is complete BS. Thank you for proving my point
 
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Vol8188 said:
If it were just the hat I’d consider ignoring the hat. Not combined with the hoodie, with him being from a country where MS-13 is a major gang (meaning he knows the meaning of the Bulls hat and the hoodie).

They knew one was for sure a gang member. A second had tattoos consistent with that gang. That means….2 gang members.

Can you provide the photo you’re referencing? I’m not certain I’ve seen it.
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Known MS-13 apparel

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NashVol11 said:
You posted the same report written by an officer who couldn't be cross-examined because he was suspended, containing the same "Westerns clique" claim that everyone agrees is complete BS. Thank you for proving my point
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Go back and read my initial point. It's still better evidence than what you have for him fleeing MS13 in ES. Especially considering my sister point that he told DHS at the time of arrest that he was here illegally and had no reason to fear return to ES.

Not to mention that the point was to destroy your false information that:

NashVol11 said:
ALL of this - literally every word of the above - came from the word of one person who said he was in a gang in a state he never even visited, got arrested days later and never testified in court. Like I said, without that guy's extremely flimsy hearsay there's absolutely nothing
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NONE of the words about his clothing came from the CI you reference.


By all means, deflect the point some more. But by all means, read better. Please.
 
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NashVol11 said:
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I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. But when you post photos from a different arrest and try pretending “he wasn’t wearing a hoody”, it makes it seem like you’re intentionally lying here. Or when you post things claiming he had no cash on him.

This is from the link I’ve probably posted 5x now. It clearly shows he was wearing a hoody. Did you expect him to be in the same outfit 6 years later?

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Vol8188 said:
He’s been before more judges than most of us will go before in our entire lives
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And those appearances aren't relevant to whether he can be deported to a country where there's a STANDING ORDER saying he can't be deported to that country.

If you wanna challenge that order and get it removed, fine. But you can't deport him to El Salvador until that issue is resolved. That is, at least, if you believe in the rule of law. But my guess is you really only believe in the rule of law(s) that you like and say "eff em" to any laws you don't like, right?
 
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evillawyer said:
And those appearances aren't relevant to whether he can be deported to a country where there's a STANDING ORDER saying he can't be deported to that country.

If you wanna challenge that order and get it removed, fine. But you can't deport him to El Salvador until that issue is resolved. That is, at least, if you believe in the rule of law. But my guess is you really only believe in the rule of law(s) that you like and say "eff em" to any laws you don't like, right?
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I agree he should not have been sent to that specific country.

I’ve stated my stance numerous times. He should be brought back. Seen by an immigration judge immediately. Then immediately sent back to El Salvador or a neighboring country
 
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evillawyer said:
Well, that will end up in the contempt of court briefing.
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It can end up anywhere someone wants it. Its an executive branch power.

Matter of fact, the executive branch could order a Hellfire missile strike on the Dad of the Year.
 
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