The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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just bob said:
I only read the first four words. Your answer was "Literally anything." Not an answer, try again.
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Just like I said. You were never going to have an answer to my question because the Trump administration hasn't told you what to think on that topic yet. They just say "we can't" so you repeat it
 
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NashVol11 said:
Just like I said. You were never going to have an answer to my question because the Trump administration hasn't told you what to think on that topic yet. They just say "we can't" so you repeat it
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Actually, they are pretty clear that the courts are attempting to play President. And I looked up on the docket, there is another half ass order but it looks basically the same as the old one other than the facilitate. Looks like the U.S. is in the process of appealing that at the moment.

I would agree with the United States and what is being implied by the Supreme court, this is now in the executive branches hands i.e. lower court more or less lacks authority. If anything, I would think they have to play hardball as than the court will think they actually have the authority.

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They have already docketed the appeal, above is the response in the lower court.

You're welcome.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Just like I said. You were never going to have an answer to my question because the Trump administration hasn't told you what to think on that topic yet. They just say "we can't" so you repeat it
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Yeah, ole Bob not getting an answer from you today. Per usual, as expected.
 
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Hell, we even asked Romania to send us back Andrew Tate and his sex trafficking charges. They lifted a travel ban because we told them to. Now with this person where we admitted to making a mistake, it's "he's never coming back," "we don't want him back," and just spamming "terrorist gangbanger terrorist gangbanger" when he has no criminal record and Tate has a bad one
 
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‘Morning Joe’ Panel Spends Over 7 Minutes Blowing Off Evidence Against Alleged MS-13 Gangster​


Panelists on “Morning Joe” spent over seven minutes Thursday trying to dismiss evidence in a dossier released by the Department of Justice against an alleged MS-13 gang member deported to El Salvador.

The Trump administration released the 13-page dossier detailing the evidence against Kilmar Abrego Garcia on Wednesday. “Morning Joe” co-host Mika Brzezinski and panelists John Heilemann and Pablo Torre dismissed the contents of the dossier, which included rulings from immigration judges determining Abrego Garcia was a member of the El Salvadoran prison gang. (RELATED: ‘I Can Do This All Day’: Trump Admin Official Swats Away ABC Host’s Effort To Justify Alleged MS-13 Member’s US Return)

“Officials say he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. It’s about basketball, but a baseball hat and a hoodie with markings that were allegedly indicative of Hispanic gang culture and symbolizes a, quote member in good standing,” Brzezinski said. “At the time of his arrest, Abrego Garcia had no criminal history. The Department of Homeland Security also released records that said he was detained in connection to a 2019 murder investigation. Abrego Garcia denied he was ever involved and was never charged.”

Abrego Garcia was detained in 2022 by the Tennessee Highway Patrol on suspicion of human trafficking but was released at the behest of the Biden FBI, according to the Tennessee Star.


“What Trump TV, as you put it, is doing, is asking you to look at an inkblot test and they’re saying, what do you see? Here are the details,” Torre said. “Here’s a man never charged with a crime, but he’s had problems in his marriage. But he was found in this parking lot with alleged gang-affiliated caps, hoodies, that stuff. And what I want to make clear is that you actually don’t need to respect Kilmar Abrego Garcia as a man in order to come to a clear conclusion on this matter. It’s whether you respect the law, right?”

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‘Morning Joe’ Panel Spends Over 7 Minutes Blowing Off Evidence Against Alleged MS-13 Gangster

Panelists on “Morning Joe” spent over seven minutes trying to dismiss evidence in a DOJ dossier against a MS-13 gang member deported to El Salvador.
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NashVol11 said:
Hell, we even asked Romania to send us back Andrew Tate and his sex trafficking charges. They lifted a travel ban because we told them to. Now with this person where we admitted to making a mistake, it's "he's never coming back," "we don't want him back," and just spamming "terrorist gangbanger terrorist gangbanger" when he has no criminal record and Tate has a bad one
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He’s probably coming back. They should bring him back. I’ve never known government to move fast.

Agreed Tate was a dumb move. Not sure the whataboutism is that relevant though. And I never saw you this animated over Biden or Obama ignoring the courts.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Hell, we even asked Romania to send us back Andrew Tate and his sex trafficking charges. They lifted a travel ban because we told them to. Now with this person where we admitted to making a mistake, it's "he's never coming back," "we don't want him back," and just spamming "terrorist gangbanger terrorist gangbanger" when he has no criminal record and Tate has a bad one
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The hills you choose to die on are hilarious. Feel free to answer at any time.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Hell, we even asked Romania to send us back Andrew Tate and his sex trafficking charges. They lifted a travel ban because we told them to. Now with this person where we admitted to making a mistake, it's "he's never coming back," "we don't want him back," and just spamming "terrorist gangbanger terrorist gangbanger" when he has no criminal record and Tate has a bad one
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Is Tate a Romanian citizen? If not then the situations are not comparable.
 
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MontyPython said:
Do you obey the speed limit?

I knowingly and willfully break laws everyday. Deport me too?
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Was the law you broke entering the country illegally? If so, deportation seems to be more logical of a punishment than it does for speeding.

This would be like saying we should not give murders life sentences because we all break the speed limit sometimes.
 
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‘An MS-13 Gangbanger’: CNN Panel Erupts Into Shouting Match As GOP Panelists Defend Deportation Of El Salvadoran​


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CNN panelists erupted into a shouting match Wednesday as two conservatives defended the high-profile deportation of an MS-13 gang member to El Salvador.

Democrat Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen, with the support of other Democrats, traveled to El Salvador to facilitate the release of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, an El Salvadoran criminal who illegally entered the U.S. in 2011. Former Republican Lieutenant Gov. Abel Maldonado and political consultant Shermichael Singleton justified the gang member’s deportation on “NewsNight with Abby Phillip,” sparking a heated debate between them and former MSNBC host Tiffany Cross.

“The point is that Van Hollen won’t talk to the woman here who lost her daughter in Maryland, but he will go down to El Salvador to try to bring an MS-13 gangbanger back to America? Really?” Maldonado said. “I think the Democratic Party is completely lost. Completely lost and losing it.”

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‘An MS-13 Gangbanger’: CNN Panel Erupts Into Shouting Match As GOP Panelists Defend Deportation Of El Salvadoran

CNN panelists erupted into a shouting match Wednesday as two conservatives defended the high-profile deportation of an MS-13 gang member to El Salvador.
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hog88 said:
Is Tate a Romanian citizen? If not then the situations are not comparable.
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They're not comparable at all no matter citizenship. We normally have people extradited back here to face consequences for actions as they're roaming free. Not some dude who is exactly where he belongs.
 
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Group Demands Ethics Probe into Dem pol who flew to El Salvador to aid suspected MS-13 Member​


A conservative watchdog is demanding an ethics probe into Sen. Chris Van Hollen for allegedly “assisting a foreign terrorist organization” by going to El Salvador to try to help free an accused MS-13 gangbanger.

The American Accountability Foundation fired off a letter to Senate leaders Thursday underscoring the Trump administration’s accusations about Kilmar Abrego Garcia having ties to the barbaric transnational gang and demanding that the Senate refuse to pay for the trip by Van Hollen (D-Md.).

“Mr. Abrego-Garcia is essentially an enemy combatant in the ongoing invasion of the United States by transnational gangs,” AAF President Thomas Jones wrote to the heads of the Senate Ethics Committee and Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) in a letter obtained by The Post.

“Despite the overwhelming evidence, Senator Van Hollen decided that he would use Senate funds to fly to El Salvador and advocate for an enemy of the United States,” the letter said.

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The Trump administration also claimed in court documents that the 29-year-old is “confirmed to be a ranking member of the MS-13 gang by a proven and reliable source.” On Wednesday, the Justice Department released a police report also suggesting Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13.

The Trump administration alleges that Abrego Garcia was discovered having “rolls of cash and drugs” when he was detained and that he had been “arrested with two other members of MS-13.”

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White House press secretary Karolin Leavitt ripped Van Hollen’s actions as “appalling” during a press event Wednesday and introduced Patty Morin, whose daughter Rachel was savagely raped and murdered by an illegal migrant in 2023. Rachel Morin was a Maryland constituent.

“To have a senator from Maryland who didn’t even acknowledge or barely acknowledged my daughter and the brutal death that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother, to use my tax money to fly to El Salvador to bring back a person … I just don’t understand this,” Patty Morin lamented during her somber remarks.


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Exclusive | Group demands ethics probe into Dem pol who flew to El Salvador to aid suspected MS-13 member

The American Accountability Foundation fired off a letter to Senate leaders Thursday underscoring the Trump administration’s accusations about Kilmar Abrego Garcia having ties to the barbaric…
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Alleged MS-13 Gangbanger Kilmar Abrego Garcia Told ICE He Wasn’t Afraid to go back to Central America — before deportation to megaprison​


Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the alleged MS-13 member who was deported to El Salvador’s notorious CECOT megaprison last month, told ICE officers he didn’t fear returning to Central America before being loaded onto a one-way flight to his home country, sources tell The Post.

Abrego’s Garcia’s admission undercuts a statement he gave to the feds in 2019 expressing that he did in fact fear returning to El Salvador due to the threat of gang violence.

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In March of that year, ICE took Abrego Garcia into custody after local cops found him socializing with confirmed MS-13 soldiers in a Maryland Home Depot parking lot and he was found to be in the US illegally, according to documents released by the Department of Justice Wednesday.

A “past proven and reliable source” told a Hyattsville City Police Department detective that Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13’s Western clique who carried the rank of “Chequeo” and the moniker “Chele,” according to a gang field interview sheet.

Cops also noted Abrego Garcia was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents on the different denominations, which is “indicative of the Hispanic gang culture.”

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Lydia Walther-Rodriguez, Jennifer Vasquez Sura, the wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and family pastor Veronica Gonzalez leave federal court on April 15 in Greenbelt, Maryland.

Vasquez Sura applied for a protective order against her husband in 2021, saying he punched, scratched, grabbed and bruised her, according to court documents.

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Exclusive | Alleged MS-13 gangbanger Kilmar Abrego Garcia told ICE he wasn’t afraid to go back to Central America — before deportation to megaprison

The Salvadoran citizen’s latest admission marks a complete change from a statement he gave to the feds in 2019 expressing then that he did in fact fear returning to his home country.
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NashVol11 said:
Literally anything would be more of a step toward facilitation than the absolutely nothing he is currently doing. We've facilitated the return of many other prisoners from that very same facility without needing to send in the military so it's a very stupid question.

My turn. The highest court we have ordered them to facilitate his return. What would you do to comply with that order?
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Here’s a hint, he isn’t wanted back. He’s home.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Hell, we even asked Romania to send us back Andrew Tate and his sex trafficking charges. They lifted a travel ban because we told them to. Now with this person where we admitted to making a mistake, it's "he's never coming back," "we don't want him back," and just spamming "terrorist gangbanger terrorist gangbanger" when he has no criminal record and Tate has a bad one
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The U.S. has clarified clearly their position on this, which has been pointed out to you multiple times. You are not working with clean hands in the forum by promoting this.

The U.S. government isn't going to bring him back as multiple determinations have been legally made as to his legal status.

All the criminal conduct whether true or not, isn't really material.

Why would the U.S. ask for a non-citizen back? He says El Salvador is his home, I believe him.
 
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just bob said:
They're not comparable at all no matter citizenship. We normally have people extradited back here to face consequences for actions as they're roaming free. Not some dude who is exactly where he belongs.
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Its the same gag over and over, a bot will be a bot. They actually think this helps. 😅
 
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NashVol11 said:
Without due process, there's nothing stopping the government from saying any of us is illegal and putting us on a plane. Or "aiding and abetting terrorists" because you don't support deporting college protestors (or on the flip side, because you don't condemn January 6)

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Sometimes it feels like they say the wildest stuff just to see what they can get away with and so far they just keep getting away with it lol
 
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