The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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volbeast33 said:
Yeah I might vote Democrat if they cared that much about American citizens.
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This is about American citizens. I couldn't care less if this guy is ultimately deported again. This is about drawing lines in the sand with this administration. If this isn't reversed, there is nothing stopping them from doing this to ANYBODY, citizen or otherwise. The government's argument doesn't turn in the least on his status. It's simply that once someone is in the hands of a foreign government, there's nothing that can be done remedy the situation.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I mean she has a point here Mr Van Hollen

"On Wednesday, Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., flew to El Salvador to visit Abrego Garcia in prison and work to secure his release. His trip has been criticized by many, including the mother of Rachel Morrin, a 39-year-old Maryland mother who was raped and murdered by a Salvadoran illegal immigrant in 2023.

"To have a senator from Maryland who didn't even acknowledge, or barely acknowledge, my daughter and the brutal death that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother and now a grandbaby without a grandmother so that he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El Salvador to bring back someone that's not even an American citizen. Why does that person have more rights than I do, or my daughter, or my grandchildren? I don't understand this," she said. "
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What does her case have to do with due process rights?
 
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theFallGuy said:
the charade that you are concerned about due process is funny
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Why is it a charade? I just said I don't have any objections to this guy being ultimately deported. I'm not trying to bring him back so he can have some Ozzie and Harriet life. I want him back so the POTUS respects the authority of the courts and that due process is granted to this guy. That's what he's entitled to here. And if he doesn't get it, the POTUS has a blueprint to start disappearing anyone he chooses. You can't be this obtuse, right?
 
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evillawyer said:
Why is it a charade? I just said I don't have any objections to this guy being ultimately deported. I'm not trying to bring him back so he can have some Ozzie and Harriet life. I want him back so the POTUS respects the authority of the courts and that due process is granted to this guy. That's what he's entitled to here. And if he doesn't get it, the POTUS has a blueprint to start disappearing anyone he chooses. You can't be this obtuse, right?
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I'll gladly point you to any number of posts/threads you made for years about the political prosecution of POTUS since you are big on "due process". But whatever
 
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evillawyer said:
This is about American citizens. I couldn't care less if this guy is ultimately deported again. This is about drawing lines in the sand with this administration. If this isn't reversed, there is nothing stopping them from doing this to ANYBODY, citizen or otherwise. The government's argument doesn't turn in the least on his status. It's simply that once someone is in the hands of a foreign government, there's nothing that can be done remedy the situation.
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Save your new fake outrage in what an administration can do after endorsing Obama and Biden administration.
 
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Vol8188 said:
This man is basically the new George Floyd. I want to build a statue of him hitting his wife and maybe start a scholarship fund for MS 13 members in his name
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Sometimes people findest the weirdest "heroes" to plant their flags on

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Biden's FBI Ordered TN Highway Patrol to Release 'Maryland Man' Recently Deported to El Salvador After He Was Detained in 2022 Traffic Stop on Suspicion of Human Trafficking - Tennessee Star

The Tennessee Star learned on Wednesday that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged member of the South American gang Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who was deported to El Salvador under President Donald Trump amid legal action claiming the removal was by mistake, was suspected of being engaged in human...
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theFallGuy said:
I'll gladly point you to any number of posts/threads you made for years about the political prosecution of POTUS since you are big on "due process". But whatever
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Did Trump get due process? He was represented. Had counsel. Got to present and cross-examine witnesses. That's due process. When have I cheered someone bring locked up without due process? I'll wait.
 
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TennesseeStar has uncovered info..




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Biden's FBI Ordered TN Highway Patrol to Release 'Maryland Man' Recently Deported to El Salvador After He Was Detained in 2022 Traffic Stop on Suspicion of Human Trafficking - Tennessee Star

The Tennessee Star learned on Wednesday that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged member of the South American gang Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who was deported to El Salvador under President Donald Trump amid legal action claiming the removal was by mistake, was suspected of being engaged in human...
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It is interesting how the discussion of people here illegally has morphed. It seems the narrative has shifted from 'people here illegally should be deported' to 'people here illegally AND involved in additional unlawful activity should be deported'. Personally, I don't care if the person is a wife beater, human smuggler, or gang member. When you are here illegally, you are taking a risk that you will be placed outside the US at any time. I don't believe the US has a responsibility to send them back to their country of origin. This is not extradition. This is border enforcement.

The worst part of this is our leaders will not do anything to fix the problem. We need immigrants. We want the right kind of immigrants. We are just incapable of creating a system that works to accomplish those things.
 
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McDad said:
We need immigrants. We want the right kind of immigrants. We are just incapable of creating a system that works to accomplish those things.
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Dems are just wanting potential voters for themselves by allowing ANY kind of "immigrant" into the country. An "immigrant" that is part of a violent gang, beats his wife and involved in human trafficking would be a vote for a Dem. And Dems want all the votes they can get to turn purple states blue to have one party rule.
 
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McDad said:
It is interesting how the discussion of people here illegally has morphed. It seems the narrative has shifted from 'people here illegally should be deported' to 'people here illegally AND involved in additional unlawful activity should be deported'. Personally, I don't care if the person is a wife beater, human smuggler, or gang member. When you are here illegally, you are taking a risk that you will be placed outside the US at any time. I don't believe the US has a responsibility to send them back to their country of origin. This is not extradition. This is border enforcement.

The worst part of this is our leaders will not do anything to fix the problem. We need immigrants. We want the right kind of immigrants. We are just incapable of creating a system that works to accomplish those things.
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It is strange that what is basically arguing "law abiding illegal alien" is some kind of special defensive demarcation regarding deportation.
 
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McDad said:
It is interesting how the discussion of people here illegally has morphed. It seems the narrative has shifted from 'people here illegally should be deported' to 'people here illegally AND involved in additional unlawful activity should be deported'. Personally, I don't care if the person is a wife beater, human smuggler, or gang member. When you are here illegally, you are taking a risk that you will be placed outside the US at any time. I don't believe the US has a responsibility to send them back to their country of origin. This is not extradition. This is border enforcement.

The worst part of this is our leaders will not do anything to fix the problem. We need immigrants. We want the right kind of immigrants. We are just incapable of creating a system that works to accomplish those things.
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Although I agree with you in principle, in reality I see it as an issue of resource management.

Because of the actions of the Biden admin, the numbers are too insane to deport everyone. So you have to focus your efforts on wife beaters with gang ties, among others.

And I fully agree with the last part. I’m very open to an expedited work visa for anyone who passes a background check (to include analysis of any tattoos for possible gang affiliation) and a physical screening. Get those two things, and be exempted from any welfare for at-least 5 years, and I don’t care how many people want to come in.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Although I agree with you in principle, in reality I see it as an issue of resource management.

Because of the actions of the Biden admin, the numbers are too insane to deport everyone. So you have to focus your efforts on wife beaters with gang ties, among others.

And I fully agree with the last part. I’m very open to an expedited work visa for anyone who passes a background check (to include analysis of any tattoos for possible gang affiliation) and a physical screening. Get those two things, and be exempted from any welfare for at-least 5 years, and I don’t care how many people want to come in.
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wrt to resources, I think this "hard line" approach is the way it has to be done right now. the more illegal immigrants who deport themselves (even out of fear), the better.
 
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evillawyer said:
This is about American citizens. I couldn't care less if this guy is ultimately deported again. This is about drawing lines in the sand with this administration. If this isn't reversed, there is nothing stopping them from doing this to ANYBODY, citizen or otherwise. The government's argument doesn't turn in the least on his status. It's simply that once someone is in the hands of a foreign government, there's nothing that can be done remedy the situation.
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Stop feat mongering. He has not deported American citizens. He deported an illegal
Immigrant with ties to MS-13 and beat his wife.
 
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hog88 said:
They are citizens
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The bill of rights does not say the word "citizen" it says "person."

The founders were very particular about this. When they meant citizen, they said citizen. Like the rule about eligibility for presidency. The bill of rights protects persons. Nobody is safe in a country where the POTUS violates the bill of rights, defies the courts, then claims he doesn't have the power to restore order, and leaves the mess as is. Hopefully nothing happens, but anybody who thinks this is out of the realm of possibility is not facing the reality of Trump.
 
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