President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[Orangeslice13]

No one is required to have a passport to travel in the us

And you’re not required to have one now. But if you do, it meets the standard. So it’s not like I’ll be added to any new database.

 

[hog88]

Why is it BS?
As I understand it your passport already qualifies as a “real ID”
What are the negatives here?

Its one hairs breath away from a federal ID and a domestic passport.

 

[Orangeslice13]

If she had an original thought she would oppose it. Instead she shills on social media. Why does it need to be implemented now?

I’m not seeing a whole lot that makes her any different that AOC.
What other negatives are there for the “real ID.”
Again, I’m not playing devils advocate or arguing the other side. I legitimately have not looked into it so I’m ignorant on this issue.

 

[hog88]

If she had an original thought she would oppose it. Instead she shills on social media. Why does it need to be implemented now?

It doesn’t but I missed your same criticism of every DHS secretary on this issue since the Bush administration.

 

[utvolpj]

It doesn’t but I missed your same criticism of every DHS secretary on this issue since the Bush administration.

Did they all make it an absolute requirement to fly?

My recommendation is to shutter dhs. Always has been

 

[utvolpj]

Also unsure how expanding DHS falls in line with cutting govt we've heard so much about. Anyone want to explain how this increases freedom and gets govt out of our lives?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Why is it BS?
As I understand it your passport already qualifies as a “real ID”
What are the negatives here?

More costly regulations....

The time for 350M people to research rules, prepare documents, drive to DMV, wait, produce documents, wait, get documents, and drive home is an inefficient use of resources.

For absolutely no benefit....

 

[Orangeslice13]

More costly regulations....

That would be my concern.
From my exhaustive research (lol) I see very little added privacy concerns as well as very little added value. So it appears as more added cost and governmental nonsense to me.
Fluff to say there trying to curtail illegal imagination

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The States are begging the Feds to delay it once again. They dont have the manpower to process everything.

The fact that Trump admin wont delay/scrap even with no benefit speaks to how much they actually love govt waste and bureaucracy...

Their goal is to make it harder to get a DL and therefore in some states, vote.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The States are begging the Feds to delay it once again. They dont have the manpower to process everything.

The fact that Trump admin wont delay/scrap even with no benefit speaks to how much they actually love govt waste and bureaucracy...

Their goal is to make it harder to get a DL and therefore in some states, vote.

Is the “real id” required to vote with the new legislation?

(Questions slice could answer himself if he wasn’t too laze to search it)

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Is the “real id” required to vote with the new legislation?

(Questions slice could answer himself if he wasn’t too laze to search it)

Its not but makes the process of doing anything at the DMV much more time consuming, such as getting updated or new license. DMV was understaffed before this requirement.


All of that makes it harder to vote, which is the Rs goal...

 

[LouderVol]

More costly regulations....

The time for 350M people to research rules, prepare documents, drive to DMV, wait, produce documents, wait, get documents, and drive home is an inefficient use of resources.

For absolutely no benefit....

Here in georgia I literally didn't have to do anything different to get a real ID version of my drivers license. all I remember having to do was prove I lived where I claimed, which is standard, and check a box saying I wanted the Real ID version. I walked out 15 minutes later with one.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Its not but makes the process of doing anything at the DMV much more time consuming, such as getting updated or new license. DMV was understaffed before this requirement.


All of that makes it harder to vote, which is the Rs goal...

I’m not sure I’ve seen any government official , R or D that tries to make anything easier or the average citizen

 

[Orangeslice13]

Here in georgia I literally didn't have to do anything different to get a real ID version of my drivers license. all I remember having to do was prove I lived where I claimed, which is standard, and check a box saying I wanted the Real ID version. I walked out 15 minutes later with one.

I keep my passport card in my wallet. I literally have to do nothing

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Here in georgia I literally didn't have to do anything different to get a real ID version of my drivers license. all I remember having to do was prove I lived where I claimed, which is standard, and check a box saying I wanted the Real ID version. I walked out 15 minutes later with one.

Here is the best case scenario

I spent 5 mins setting up reservatiom
10 mins reading and Gathering documents
15 min walk
15 min wait
10 mins for them to review docs
Pay cash
15 min walk back
5 min to get mail, review, etc

75 mins of waste * 350M for NO BENEFIT

And this is the best case scenario.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Here is the best case scenario

I spent 5 mins setting up reservatiom
10 mins reading and Gathering documents
15 min walk
15 min wait
10 mins for them to review docs
Pay cash
15 min walk back
5 min to get mail, review, etc

75 mins of waste * 350M for NO BENEFIT

And this is the best case scenario.

Did you include slack time for adhd?

 

[utvolpj]

Here is the best case scenario

I spent 5 mins setting up reservatiom
10 mins reading and Gathering documents
15 min walk
15 min wait
10 mins for them to review docs
Pay cash
15 min walk back
5 min to get mail, review, etc

75 mins of waste * 350M for NO BENEFIT

And this is the best case scenario.

I believe the report was 10% don't have the docs required readily available. So now there's a delay to get a birth certificate, marriage license, etc just to prove your existence to govt.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I believe the report was 10% don't have the docs required readily available. So now there's a delay to get a birth certificate or marriage license to prove your existence to govt.

Doesnt even factor in the DMV missing up which causes people to go through it again...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

And speaking of govt waste and regulations, we havent even got to all the regulations/carveouts in the tax code...

With the current admin wanting to add more to the shitton they added back in 2017...

 

[LouderVol]

Here is the best case scenario

I spent 5 mins setting up reservatiom
10 mins reading and Gathering documents
15 min walk
15 min wait
10 mins for them to review docs
Pay cash
15 min walk back
5 min to get mail, review, etc

75 mins of waste * 350M for NO BENEFIT

And this is the best case scenario.

Maybe its different in TN than when I lived there, but I remember my license having an expiration date, and having to go to the DMV with proper paper work already. so I don't think you are adding all that much, if anything.

the only paperwork I had to provide in Georgia was utility bills for the last two months, and my still valid but expiring drivers license. both of which would be required for standard drivers license renewal. or having a change of address with a current one. Real ID has been available in Georgia in 2012, I find it hard to believe people haven't had to go to the DMV for more than 13 years where this is an additional, onerous, task.

its not going to be anywhere close to 350 million all having to do it within the next two months. and there was nothing stopping you from making it a part of your standard DMV visit to remove most of the "waste" you are mentioning. what you are complaining about sounds like you didn't prepare for this before time, and are freaking out because its a last minute thing YOU have to do because of YOUR choices.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Maybe its different in TN than when I lived there, but I remember my license having an expiration date, and having to go to the DMV with proper paper work already. so I don't think you are adding all that much, if anything.

the only paperwork I had to provide in Georgia was utility bills for the last two months, and my still valid but expiring drivers license. both of which would be required for standard drivers license renewal. or having a change of address with a current one. Real ID has been available in Georgia in 2012, I find it hard to believe people haven't had to go to the DMV for more than 13 years where this is an additional, onerous, task.

its not going to be anywhere close to 350 million all having to do it within the next two months. and there was nothing stopping you from making it a part of your standard DMV visit to remove most of the "waste" you are mentioning. what you are complaining about sounds like you didn't prepare for this before time, and are freaking out because its a last minute thing YOU have to do because of YOUR choices.

I did it several years ago but way to assume incorrectly....

Pretty much everyone who gets a REAL ID has to make at least 1 in person stop to DMV they wouldnt have made otherwise. That is the absolute definition of waste if there is no benefit.

 

[C-south]

No one is required to have a passport to travel in the us

You aren’t required the new ID to travel either.

 

[utvolpj]

You aren’t required the new ID to travel either.

You will be to fly. I posted that earlier if you want to review

 

[C-south]

I’m not seeing a whole lot that makes her any different that AOC.
What other negatives are there for the “real ID.”
Again, I’m not playing devils advocate or arguing the other side. I legitimately have not looked into it so I’m ignorant on this issue.

I believe it costs $25

 

[hog88]

Did they all make it an absolute requirement to fly?

My recommendation is to shutter dhs. Always has been

No, the legislation passed by congress in 2005 did.

I agree with shuttering DHS.