Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Fun coupon VOL]

At some point you have to grow a pair and tell your family to take a back seat and shut up.

 

[NMVol]

That's a fair point...but the issue is the staff has 2 seasons with you so they may also have adjusted what they believe he's worth based on potential.

Side A says "we're worth 4 million!"
Side B says "we've worked with you for 2 years now, the original rate is accurate"

So who is responsible for managing expectations?

 

[PYSCHO]

I wish no one showed me the Avery Johnson highlights. I'd dump a truckload of money on his frontstep.

he is pretty good. His passing a little work in progress but the dude is athletic and can make plays. I witnessed him destroy big 12 teams and he would be interesting for sure.

 

[Jackcrevol]

At some point you have to grow a pair and tell your family to take a back seat and shut up.

pretty much, perhaps not quite that vehemently.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I wish no one showed me the Avery Johnson highlights. I'd dump a truckload of money on his frontstep.

There is a reason he isn’t in the SEC

 

[SoilVol]

Question Vols: Do yall believe the whole Nico situation was all about the money or do you think it's deeper than that?

I'd be interested to hear Cam's reaction to the news

 

[JT3]

Facts!! If Nico had a Cam Ward type of season we would have paid him that $4MM without hesitation.

 

[SoilVol]

AP sounded like he’s still carrying water for Nico in that Cublic, McElroy clip.

Feel sorry for Nico?? Not me, I’ll admit I can’t be petty. Hoping for failure. I probably shouldn’t be that way but just being honest..

Idk how you can feel sorry for someone who was making insane money and lost it bc they got greedy.

You sleep in the bed you make.

Another program will probably overpay for him and he will underproduce while Madden has a better collegiate career.

 

[knoxvol52]

There is a reason he isn’t in the SEC

Johnson born and raised in Kansas, lifelong fan of Kansas State. His dream school if you will. Be hard to pry him out of Kansas but money talks I suppose...

 

[Hoghater]

Sorry to interrupt the pouting polynesian saga but I went to my first Vol baseball game yesterday and it was awesome

 

[MarcoVol]

Sorry to interrupt the pouting polynesian saga but I went to my first Vol baseball game yesterday and it was awesome

Picked a hell of a one to attend with the late inning dramatics!

 

[Ten_Titans]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but the "negotiation" had nothing to do with his fair market value.

I'm a software engineer. It would be very much like if I got hired. Then I went in and embedded myself in all the projects. Then I went back two months later and asked for more money because the operation would grind to a halt without me. That is at best bad faith negotiation, and at worst it is literal extortion.

The collective committed to him in every way possible, and Nico's team leveraged their own commitment against them. The idea that some governing body does not need rules in place that prevent that from happening is asinine.

 

[Big Sun]

Hip replacement? Those bull riding days of your youth are coming back to collect their due.

 

[marksboy7]

There is a reason he isn’t in the SEC

That's a dumb take...

Yeah and there's a reason Nico isn't in the SEC either but it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't good enough to play in the SEC. I guess cause Dalton Knecht, Chaz Lanier, Liam Doyle, etc didn't start in the SEC means they weren't/aren't good enough to play in the SEC as well.

 

[rltw1974]

Interesting take from TJ Houshmandzadeh. BLUF: Nico and family say TN is lying, and that Heupel promised to tweak offense to better prepare Nico for the NFL, then didn't do it.

 

[MarcoVol]

Idk how you can feel sorry for someone who was making insane money and lost it bc they got greedy.

You sleep in the bed you make.

Another program will probably overpay for him and he will underproduce while Madden has a better collegiate career.

I think it was more based on that perhaps Nico might not have been privy to all the behind the scenes shopping of his services to other programs

 

[JCVol00]

Facts!! If Nico had a Cam Ward type of season we would have paid him that $4MM without hesitation.

I think it was more of the antics that Nico & Co did, than asking for $. I feel like if he never threatened to sit out the playoff, didnt contact other team’s in the offseason, and skip practice we probably would’ve worked a deal and it wouldn’t have even left the coaches office

 

[MarcoVol]

I think it was more of the antics that Nico & Co did, than asking for $. I feel like if he never threatened to sit out the playoff, didnt contact other team’s in the offseason, and skip practice we probably would’ve worked a deal and it wouldn’t have even left the coaches office

For the record AP says he doesn’t believe that Nico threatened to sit out the playoff

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So who is responsible for managing expectations?

Better question, why the F are you asking me?

My expectations are of a delusional fan...before I ever saw Nico throw a ball I thought he was going to win us a Heisman. Now that he's bailed I'm hedging my bets on -insert next QB that is named starter-

But the real answer is both sides have their own expectations...when they aren't in alignment you get a situation like this. Staff & Heupel expectations weren't matching Nico's dad and they tried to act like they weren't replaceable so they were shown they are. I don't think either side "won" and I don't think either side is without fault, I do however think UT had to handled it the way they did to prevent much more issues.

 

[Brillovol]

we are definitely gaining at least one

 

[MarcoVol]

That's a dumb take...

Yeah and there's a reason Nico isn't in the SEC either but it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't good enough to play in the SEC. I guess cause Dalton Knecht, Chaz Lanier, Liam Doyle, etc didn't start in the SEC means they weren't/aren't good enough to play in the SEC as well.

Andrew Fischer, Tanner Franklin, Marcus Phillips, Nate Snead, Gavin Kilen, Jordan Gainey, Felix Okpara

 

[screenthis]

he is pretty good. His passing a little work in progress but the dude is athletic and can make plays. I witnessed him destroy big 12 teams and he would be interesting for sure.

Welp, I guess it's up to me to ask. WTH would we want a washed up NBA coach as our QB?

 

[rockytop25]

 

[MoCo_Vol]

The crazy thing is that no matter how Nico's dad and "team" try to spin it now they look dumb.

"We asked a coach with a winning % of 74% and one of the best offenses in college to change his philosophy up AFTER committing to play for him because of his offense"
"We trashed the OL and WR room on social media "joking" to deflect criticism off Nico and then demanded the team bring in more talent around him...while still also paying him MORE to stay put"

The pool of money isn't bottomless...even Tom Brady and Peyton Manning reworked their contracts at times to allow for more funds to improve the talent around them.

 

[NMVol]

Better question, why the F are you asking me?

My expectations are of a delusional fan...before I ever saw Nico throw a ball I thought he was going to win us a Heisman. Now that he's bailed I'm hedging my bets on -insert next QB that is named starter-

But the real answer is both sides have their own expectations...when they aren't in alignment you get a situation like this. Staff & Heupel expectations weren't matching Nico's dad and they tried to act like they weren't replaceable so they were shown they are. I don't think either side "won" and I don't think either side is without fault, I do however think UT had to handled it the way they did to prevent much more issues.

Well, it says you are a well known member. Seemed like you might know something. Thanks for the reply.