Trump Ignores the Courts

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McDad said:
This is what I don't like about the tweets shared (from almost everyone) they are so slanted they leave out important details.
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On the bright side (if there is one) W.Tn did thank someone for correcting him on one of his tweets in the last day or so. So far that is 1-0 on bad tweet accountability for R vs L here. Although, thinking about it, maybe @BowlBrother85 has maybe admitted a bad post or two.
 
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McDad said:
This is what I don't like about the tweets shared (from almost everyone) they are so slanted they leave out important details.
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Agreed. It’s why Huff’s are especially pernicious, as his refusal to quote the link only aggravates the problem.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Agreed. It’s why Huff’s are especially pernicious, as his refusal to quote the link only aggravates the problem.
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I've been away from the PF for a few years. I remember huff being a lib, but I seriously do not remember him being this unhinged. Did he have some trauma that broke him or something?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Agreed. It’s why Huff’s are especially pernicious, as his refusal to quote the link only aggravates the problem.
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Also, it's hilarious to compare all of this pernicious twitter reliance to the "We need proof; all ya'll do is trust rando twitter" demands in the DOGE thread.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Also, it's hilarious to compare all of this pernicious twitter reliance to the "We need proof; all ya'll do is trust rando twitter" demands in the DOGE thread.
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Nobody on here posts more tweets than @W.TN.Orange Blood ..... He has filled entire pages with tweets, usually from the far right - Proud Elephant, Red State, Charlie Kirk, John Solomon's Just the News and such drivel.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Nobody on here posts more tweets than @W.TN.Orange Blood ..... He has filled entire pages with tweets, usually from the far right - Proud Elephant, Charlie Kirk, John Solomon's Just the News and such drivel.
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OK.

With that said...

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Also, it's hilarious to compare all of this pernicious twitter reliance to the "We need proof; all ya'll do is trust rando twitter" demands in the DOGE thread.
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BowlBrother85 said:
Nobody on here posts more tweets than @W.TN.Orange Blood ..... He has filled entire pages with tweets, usually from the far right - Proud Elephant, Red State, Charlie Kirk, John Solomon's Just the News and such drivel.
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@VOLLeeann (Tull) can match him stride for stride when he’s in the mood.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I still just want someone to make me care that a member of MS13 got sent to an El Salvador prison. I'll await your response...
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I mean, he’s an alleged ms13. If his only actual crime is being an illegal alien - I don’t think El Salvador prison was appropriate.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I hate quoting myself, but in regard to the above, I found a letter from Congress to the then-head of DHS reminding him of an intel report that they all knew about, indicating that Venezuela's gov't was emptying its prisons and "encouraging" the gang into the massive immigration caravans to the US.

I now suspect it will not be hard for Trump's use of this act, in this instance, to be upheld if it's ever questioned by upper courts.

We have Congress stating that we have intel that Venezuela expelled their gang problem to the US, and is refusing to take them back.

Trump's use of this act seems completely in accord with its purpose. As to El Salvador, if nobody else wants them, where do we send them? It is a disservice to the American public and taxpayers to keep them here, imho.


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You've mentioned a few times you'd taken a break. I'm glad you're back. I think you've brought some of the most pertinent information to this thread.

I don't know if SCOTUS will hear DOJ's emergency appeal to lift the temporary injunction, but I think the case makes it to the Supreme Court if the lower courts rule against Trump's usage of the Alien Enemies Act.

You parsed the exact section of Act that enables Trump to invoke it by proclamation in another post.
§21. Restraint, regulation, and removal
Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies.
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I don't see how a DHS report, that was referenced in a congressional letter, claiming the Venezuelan government was complicit in encouraging their prisoners into migrant caravans doesn't qualify those paramaters.

I'd love if SCOTUS defined or gave more clarity over District Court's jurisdiction (particularly a plane in international territory.....) in sorting this case, but I doubt they'll directly acknowledge that.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
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I'd love if SCOTUS defined or gave more clarity over District Court's jurisdiction (particularly a plane in international territory.....) in sorting this case, but I doubt they'll directly acknowledge that.
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There is some saber rattling in Congress. In the lengthier video I watched of these proceedings, Congress literally said, "Maybe our work here will get the chief justice to fix this instead of lecturing congress when he sees that his lack of action is degrading the power of the courts."


 
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Orange_Crush said:
There is some saber rattling in Congress. In the lengthier video I watched of these proceedings, Congress literally said, "Maybe our work here will get the chief justice to fix this instead of lecturing congress when he sees that his lack of action is degrading the power of the courts."


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SCOTUS is actually hearing the appeal.

Supreme Court to hear appeal in Alien Enemies Act case | Constitution Center

The first stages of the legal showdown over the Trump administration’s use of a founding-era act to deport alleged gang members is at the Supreme Court.
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Harris argued the appeals court and district....exceeded their powers in issuing and upholding the TRO: “This case presents.....how to conduct sensitive national-security......the president, through Article II, or the judiciary, through TROs....
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Harris also argued that legal proceedings in the case need to be conducted in Texas, and not the District of Columbia, that the district courts could not issue a nationwide injunction, and the lower courts did not fully consider the case’s merits.
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Whether SCOTUS upholds the TRO or not, it will be interesting to see how they respond to that.
 
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norrislakevol said:
He wasn't a legal citizen, an immigration judge only said that he shouldn't be deported back to El Salvador. The gang member was afraid to go back to El Salvador is all.
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He is a legal non-citizen with an American wife and a kid. He fled El Salvador 14 years ago because a gang was targeting his parents for extortion. He has a full time job as a sheet metal apprentice. There is no proven gang affiliation. The admin has also alleged human trafficking (of course) involvement. But they are compulsive, unashamed liars who also said this was a clerical error.

Stop trusting anything about this admin. Everything has to be validated by an outside source. Vance lies, no problem. Don't believe a word Leavitt says. Even her entire face is a lie.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
There is some saber rattling in Congress. In the lengthier video I watched of these proceedings, Congress literally said, "Maybe our work here will get the chief justice to fix this instead of lecturing congress when he sees that his lack of action is degrading the power of the courts."


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Jim Jordan's bad theater for the slow of thought.
Newt's a slimeball but that's not news.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What a surprise, some of us were right to not trust ICE and this admin. We sent people to concentration camps because of gang tattoos when the gang in question doesn't do tattoos.

Who was that goober who thought it was a good idea to have the national guard executing gang members on our streets? Can't even figure out who is TdA when we have the time and means to investigate by an agency designed to identify people and know their status.

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Now that we realize this is more fake news, can I anticipate more unhinged rants from you in the future, or will you take a more slow and controlled approach?
 
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n_huffhines said:
He is a legal non-citizen with an American wife and a kid. He fled El Salvador 14 years ago because a gang was targeting his parents for extortion. He has a full time job as a sheet metal apprentice. There is no proven gang affiliation. The admin has also alleged human trafficking (of course) involvement. But they are compulsive, unashamed liars who also said this was a clerical error.

Stop trusting anything about this admin. Everything has to be validated by an outside source. Vance lies, no problem. Don't believe a word Leavitt says. Even her entire face is a lie.
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Legal non citizen???

On a work Visa? Political refugee seeking asylum?
 
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Ashevolle said:
I think it's becoming clear that who Trump wants to deport is not who Trump has said he wants to deport. They're not just going after criminal undocumented folks. This is a much broader purge.
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Lol “gang members without criminal histories” are not a demographic you’re going by to find sympathy for.

I’ve yet to see examples of people without gang ties who were deported.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I still just want someone to make me care that a member of MS13 got sent to an El Salvador prison. I'll await your response...
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You can believe what you want, but the administration is full of lies, all the time, everywhere. Do you actually know why it's alleged he's MS-13? It's flimsy AF.

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