President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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hog88 said:
Allegedly. Now JG is free to show he was telling the truth.
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He's actually not. If what was posted in the chat was classified, it doesn't legally become unclassified simply because Hegseth said it didn't happen. If I were in Goldberg's shoes, I'm not making anything public until I get a ruling from a judge.
 
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If the journalist had published the entire chat immediately after receiving (before the strikes) would he have been prosecuted? That's what makes me lean one direction over the other
 
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bamawriter said:
He's actually not. If what was posted in the chat was classified, it doesn't legally become unclassified simply because Hegseth said it didn't happen. If I were in Goldberg's shoes, I'm not making anything public until I get a ruling from a judge.
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I thought Trump said it was not classified?

In any case, I’d feel comfortable going in front of a jury with the Sec Def on video saying the information I published wasn’t classified.
 
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utvolpj said:
If the journalist had published the entire chat immediately after receiving (before the strikes) would he have been prosecuted? That's what makes me lean one direction over the other
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Probably so and if his claim is true he made a prudent decision not to go public with the information. But now with Sec Def and other cabinet members saying nothing was classified there’s no way he could be charged much less convicted for publishing it.
 
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utvolpj said:
If the journalist had published the entire chat immediately after receiving (before the strikes) would he have been prosecuted? That's what makes me lean one direction over the other
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If he suspected that there was even a chance that he may be accidentally in a private federal cabinet level chat, he should have immediately posted something to the effect of: "Y'all... Why am I in this and do I need to see what you guys are about to talk about?"
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If he suspected that there was even a chance that he may be accidentally in a private federal cabinet level chat, he should have immediately posted something to the effect of: "Y'all... Why am I in this and do I need to see what you guys are about to talk about?"
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I agree but don’t blame him for not doing so. Can’t blame a weasel for getting in the henhouse when you leave the door open.
 
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There are lots of issues to be sorted through. The White House seems to be saying Goldberg's reporting is accurate, while Hegseth denies it. Was the use of Signal appropriate/authorized in this instance? Was classified information transmitted improperly and ultimately released? Potential records retention issues. I'm not sufficiently motivated to get in the weeds on any of them. However, the administration needs to learn a lesson from Watergate or risk squandering several months of this presidency.
 
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SuzyVol said:
There are lots of issues to be sorted through. The White House seems to be saying Goldberg's reporting is accurate, while Hegseth denies it. Was the use of Signal appropriate/authorized in this instance? Was classified information transmitted improperly and ultimately released? Potential records retention issues. I'm not sufficiently motivated to get in the weeds on any of them. However, the administration needs to learn a lesson from Watergate or risk squandering several months of this presidency.
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One question is whether the White House has confirmed that the entirety of the conversation occurred as claimed by the reporter.

It may have been a bunch of non-classified conversation.

The WH confirms, yah: he saw some things.

Then the reporter claims more than what actually was shared. This guys has a history of running fake stories about Trump, right?

So far, he's shown limited proof, claimed to have seen war plans, won't show the proof for that.

Is that all true?
 
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SuzyVol said:
There are lots of issues to be sorted through. The White House seems to be saying Goldberg's reporting is accurate, while Hegseth denies it. Was the use of Signal appropriate/authorized in this instance? Was classified information transmitted improperly and ultimately released? Potential records retention issues. I'm not sufficiently motivated to get in the weeds on any of them. However, the administration needs to learn a lesson from Watergate or risk squandering several months of this presidency.
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The White House has sent information as to this in a tweet which I posted a few pages back. I believe Hegseth took issue with the whole "war plan" part.

Back to work for me guys.

(To me the most interesting stuff is Vance trying to slow everything down, he's a great guy to have in there, imo. 👍 If anything it shows that there is at least one that isn't just a YES man, at the end of the day though... he has to follow orders. I continue to be impressed by Vance and I didn't really know anything about him before mid-2024. )
 
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Orange_Crush said:
One question is whether the White House has confirmed that the entirety of the conversation occurred as claimed by the reporter.

It may have been a bunch of non-classified conversation.

The WH confirms, yah: he saw some things.

Then the reporter claims more than what actually was shared. This guys has a history of running fake stories about Trump, right?

So far, he's shown limited proof, claimed to have seen war plans, won't show the proof for that.

Is that all true?
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The President could always grant Goldberg a prospective pardon and tell him to publish the war plans or STFU.
 
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hog88 said:
I thought Trump said it was not classified?

In any case, I’d feel comfortable going in front of a jury with the Sec Def on video saying the information I published wasn’t classified.
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I find this argument the administration is making now to be EXTREMELY weak.



"I accidentally released classified national security information?!?!?!?"

"Well, that's ok because my act of doing so renders it declassified. In my head. Trust me."
 
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n_huffhines said:
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I’ll never understand how people consume this garbage in any sort of serious fashion. Please get off Fox, Newsmax, MSNBC, CNN, etc… they are poison. Of course Fox is going to spin this administration’s incompetence, just like liberal media white-washed Joe’s incompetence. Don’t fall for it, and hold our leaders to a higher standard please.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Like I said last night democrats are acting like this was Eisenhower, Tedder & Monty talking with Churchill on the entire plans for the Invasion of Europe.
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Not the point at all, but is a standard MAGA dodge now, isn't it?

The issue is not whether national security was actually compromised. Its that these same now-public officials slammed HRC and Dems over the years for very similar transgressions. And they were morons in the way the MAGA officials did this. And they are making it worse with incredibly dumb excuses and dodges.

Everyone can see you screwed up. You know you screwed up. Don't pretend like its not a big deal. Own it. Take action. Move on.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not the point at all, but is a standard MAGA dodge now, isn't it?

The issue is not whether national security was actually compromised. Its that these same now-public officials slammed HRC and Dems over the years for very similar transgressions. And they were morons in the way the MAGA officials did this. And they are making it worse with incredibly dumb excuses and dodges.

Everyone can see you screwed up. You know you screwed up. Don't pretend like its not a big deal. Own it. Take action. Move on.
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Glad to see you've dropped the "independent" farce.
 
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